Huvver

- I tried the Macujo method, Nexxus aloe rid twice a day over a week, plus STAT cleansing shampoo I bought at a head shop, supposed to be good stuff. Well, took the test on Tuesday & not only do I have a big bald spot on top of my head, they found everything >>> FAILED !, I've heard they've got some way of cleansing the hair now removing all the masks, etc & can detect anything used in 3 months no matter what you do, they've caught on to the cleansing shampoo ****... oh well, I'll refuse hair tests from now or stop using, I guess I should quit anyway ....I guess it all depends on the lab that performs the test as well

grillmeats

Thoose cleansing don't work. How long did you stop before you tested? That has a lot to do with passing of the test. It is recomended that you quit anywere from 4 to 6 weeks and then use the methods posted.

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grillmeats

This thread was posted today by a member who did pass. He improvised the method to work for him, but the end results are great. He Passed!
http://cheaptalk.marijuana.com/420/s...ad.php?t=38906

Huvver

- Thanks for that link, but that is about exactly what I did, excluding the Tide with bleach, I used regular Tide, I guess it just depends on the person's hair & the lab. I quit herb over a couple of months before the test but hit the white about 3 weeks before the test....stupid me, I'm done with that for sure but they found it all anyway & I'm just a casual user, I smoke maybe twice a month, & hit the white 2 to 3 times a year....oh well that's what I get I guess

grillmeats

The white stimulated your system and pushed the THC in your hair. With 2 months clean, you should've passed. The white was the downfall. You should've cut your hair 2 months ago when you quit.

didorusso

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draglv104

I can understand you frustration. Nonetheless, I think it is imperative to find out what kind of hair test they ran. Being biochemistry major, I knew that my method would work WRT (with respect to) the allotted time frame of not using, my diet, exercise/overall activity, hair cut, and mainly the chemistry behind the entire ordeal. This is a little explanation behind the chemistry behind the home brew method found at the top of the page. It is general but I hope it will help others and encourage people like myself to find the Ultimate Solution found in hair salons. The only way that your hair test would be detectable is if they ran a GC (Gas Chromatography) or a MS (Mass Spectroscopy) on your hair, which costs a **** load of money to do. Other than that, the conventional methods they use now would not be able to detect it.
Vinegar is an acid with a pH of ~4 or lower (or higher) depending on the dilution of the aliquot (portion) being used. The vinegar in the sore is about 95% dilute and a zero dilute solution of its active component (acetic acid) would constitute glacial acetic acid [ Don’t get a stupid idea and even think about putting that into your hair or you will never have 1. Hair for the rest of your life 2. Have any skin on your head 3. Become blind]. Think of it as putting sulfuric acid on your head (not that serious but close enough). The chemical that makes vinegar acidic is acetic acid (CH3COOH); and the carboxylic acid (COOH, with a double bond on the C and O single on the O and the H). As a side note this organic acid (meaning it only has organic compounds, i.e. most of the elements on the top left hand corner of the periodic table excluding the noble gases (don't forget to add hydrogen) [anything that isn't metal and doesn't have a full octet can be considered as organic for the sake of argument]. What does this have to do with anything you say? Well think about it for a second. Your hair shaft consists of Keratin protein filaments, with the major building block being cysteine, an alpha amino acid that contains disulfide groups along with a nitrile group. When exposed to the -OH group from acetic acid, the protein (i.e. keratin) denaturizes (breaks down from quaternary structure to tertiary, secondary, and primary protein structures) mainly because of the reaction with the amino acid found in the protein (i.e. the nitrile and sulfur functional groups that "hold" the protein in a normal structure). THC's metabolite is an ester, (COOH-no double bonds with the O's [like the carboxylic acid found in vinegar, hence an ester is a derivative of the carboxylic acid), which is formed from (if I remember correctly...) the reaction of an acid and alcohol. So, it would make sense that when the protein shaft from your hair is denatured due to the acidic environment, the acetic acid also reacts with the ester (since they are derivatives of one another) metabolite found in THC, there by removing "stripping" what is left of it (and you hair for that matter) and removing it.
The Cleans & Clear had the chemical EDTA, which is an acronym that is not worth breaking down because most people have no idea what it means and it will just confuse most. I am not being conceded in anyway when saying that I am just stating reality. At any rate, EDTA is a chelating agent, meaning that it has the ability to bind to multidentate sites (sites of interest) on molecules, specifically metals. I see some people on this forum saying that EDTA is the effective treatment in shampoos. I disagree. EDTA is a general name for a multitude of molecules that resembles EDTA. To make an analogy with this, its like saying I have a Cadillac, but not specifying the year make or model. EDTA helps remove metal ions (that's why its found in most if not all shampoos because most regions in the US have "hard water" or in other words water with minerals and salts (a salt is a cation connected to an anion that forms an ionic bond; not the salt on the table). In advanced organic chemistry you talk about the reaction of metals and organic compounds. Organic compounds like esters and acetic acid. EDTA does an excellent job a chelating metals; specifically metals that bind to organic compounds (that’s why they use it for water treatments: to remove organic compounds from the water, e.g. urea, pesticides, ammonia etc.). When you rinse your hair, some of the salts and minerals say in your hair and bind to ester and organic acid functional groups; that is, bind to the hair shaft that survived by chance to the acidic environment. EDTA helps remove ester metabolites and ester metabolites that bind to metals in your hair; hence that is why we used the Cleans and Clear. When hair is washed with this, it removes the remains (what I said above).
Tide with bleach has one of the most important functional groups in it: sodium laurel sulfate. Sodium laurel sulfate removes fatty acid chains, that is, any extended chain of CHCHCH....groups usually connected to oxygen. In other words, this just helps remove the oils and residues from your hair so the THC metabolites are not reabsorbed in to the shaft. People with oily hair would probably need to do this part of the procedure 2 or 3 times. Using the same towel during this portion (that is, using the same towel to dry the hair for repeating this portion multiple times) would be a stupid thing to do because the THC metabolites from the oils can be absorbed into that same towel.
I can go on for a lot longer on this subject, but I assume you get the point. The chemistry works, however, each individual varies. The only advice I can give is to repeat this procedure as many times as your eyes allow it. Repeat this procedure with common sense. Don't use the towel you used last week and take a few minutes to establish some things about your self, i.e. your quality of life and life style activities up until this point. This is what my analytical chemistry professor told me: "Cleanliness is next to godliness in this class. If you have a high standard deviation between your data sets or your percent error in your experiment significantly differs (that is, differs with in a 90% range in a Student's T test or other statistical test), then I can almost guarantee you it is the experimenter that is at fault, NOT THE EXPERIMENT OR THE EQUIPMENT!"
If anyone took the time to read this and understood some of what I said, I would like you to PM me or respond or start a topic on the Ultimate Solution to hair tests. I know, and a preponderance of other individuals agree, that one of the secret ingredients in the commercial detox is a peroxide of some sort. If you have used Ultra Clean hair detox, you can smell it. It smells like a hair salon. This is probably the same stuff they use when doing dyes etc. But it is also the stuff that hair stylists charge people in Las Vegas $95 a treatment for as well. If we can figure out what they use, we can be on to something which would help out numerous people.

didorusso

Congrats, this is the first time I see such a comprehensive explanation for the home-based maccoujo. I am not a biochemist like you (I am a vet-immunologist-molecular biologist) so many aspects of organic chemistry are not familiar to me.
I wanted to ask you, when you say that each individual is different, at what in particular are you referring to? I would also appreciate if you read about the mechanisms (indicated by the manufacturing companies) underlying the properties of All Clear (a chelator), Test'in (a washing agent), Get Clean (a chelator). Ultra Clean (a chelator) was studied in a lab and found to be effective by 36%. I don't recall the lab mentioning peroxide, and in addition, wouldn't that make you blonde?

ChinaGreenElvis

What Shampoo contains tetra-na-EDTA? You mention in your home method's step 5 to use one that does, but you don't mention any by name. Also, how often before testing should this method be applied? Just on the day of testing, or days in a row before the day of testing?

draglv104

I stated (or I intended to) to use any shampoo with tetrasodium (element:Na+) EDTA. Personally, I used Revalon Flex, a cheap and inexpensive shampoo that I know I could use liberally and not worry about the cost. Let it be noted that on a daily basis I used Neutragena T-Gel, which also contains Tetra-Na-EDTA. That may have or have not improved my results. Again, it appears that this is a trial and error type of proceedure that seems to work for some and not others; forgive me for not being specific in that regard. The more detail we get from people the better this proceedure, and other proceedures that follow, will become.
As far as applying the proceedure, I would apply it multiple times (n> 2) before the test on that day. If you have long hair (realative to others), I would reccomend performing the proceedure 2-3 times with in a 24 hr peroid before your test day, and 2 or more times during the test day. Note this will damage your hair, however, hair will replace itself and repair itself to its origional structure in time. In all reality, however, I would perform the proceedure as many times as possible if you are exreamly worried; you can't go wrong unless you make a mundane error like some of the people on this fourm have made, e.g. test sheet says HAIR ARM instead of HAIR HEAD so they treat their head instead of their arm etc., smoke 1 day before (come on, seriously get serious). This is not to say I am bashing but thanking because without errors, no corrections/effective models can be made for improvement; that is how experimentors make the best product--trial and error.
Inasmuch as my theory on the salon method that costs around $100 from a professional stylist, I am asserting that the chemical they use is some peroxide or a derivative of a peroxide or even an extreamly strong base (remember chemistry teaches us that bases, although in theory acids and bases posses equal pH levels [i.e. 7 and 7 = 14], bases can form more anions than polyprotic acids [many H+ ions acids]). Ultra Clean has the same smell if not the exact smell as a salon when someones hair is getting either: permed, bleached, or treated. Its the smell that burns your eyes as you walk in--everyone knows what I am talking about. I want to know what that chemical is because it is responsible for removing ALL metabolites from your hair. I know this because that is why the lab refuses to take your hair if its bleached, treated etc.
Peroxide will not always turn your hair blond. This is a common misconception. Peroxide [H202] if mixed proportionally will not turn your hair blond but strip it so your hair can absorb the "new" pigment or hair color. It might also be a relaxer [a base] that is mixed at a realativly low pH compared to what other relaxers ar mixed at, but I don't know that is why I am trying to gather inquiry from people who have gotten the $100 hair treatment in the salon that stylists won't talk about.
Commenting on the cleansing shampoo, I was unaware of their cheleating agents in their shampoos. Do you know what specific cheleating agents these shampoos have or have in common? You say they lower the toxin concentration by 36%, huh? My question is (being a math minor and a scientist in general) what was their sample size? What was their proceedure, who did they perform their proceedure on? What was the BMR (basal metabolic rate) of the participants? What was the usage of each participant? How long did they use the treatment after using? How can they attribute the success to the cheleating agent? etc etc etc. Until I see a published fact (i.e. primary source not a website or hearsay or what someone else "heard" or saw someone post) with these types of details, the company is full of **** in my opinion because if their product was so good then they would show EVERYTHING they did instead of reciting a lousy 36%. 36% is not even a significant number to begin with [again significant in terms of statistical analysis], which tells me that the people don't really know what their buying and the evidence the company is providing won't suit the individuals needs. That's like that commerical that I laugh at that says "4 out of 5 dentists say this toothpast is doctor reccomended" when the 4 out of 5 dentists probably have stock in that toothpast company and "it removes up to 33% more tarter than the leading brand" when it probably did-- on two out of 1,000 people, but they don't tell you that important stuff.
Please respond. I am glad people are pointing out my mistakes in my proceedure--it shows we all aren't perfect but we can sure as hell try to be if we keep working at it. If people have any information regarding the specific chleating agents used in the shampoos, scientific experiece/lab experience, etc please pm me or post--

Shine on,

Draglv104