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Old 03-30-2006, 03:58 AM   #1
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Default chemical safety - what am i putting in my hair!?

PLEASE READ THIS WHOLE POST - This POST is meant to inform and help you find out for yourself the potential properties and hazards of chemicals you are using during your "detox" attempts for hair sampling.

After reading so many postings proposing different mixtures of chemicals that are not meant as hair care products, i'm hoping to give you some resources to educate yourself - before doing something that may be more dangerous than you think!

Putting things, and combinations of things - on your skin without knowing the effects can end up a lot worse than you think. Sometimes the effects are not immediate, and sometimes a single "dose" can lead to permanent damage.

I am especially concerned, noting that people are sharing damaging effects ("my skin came off in chunks", or "it burned my eyes so wear goggles!), but that doesn't stop others from using the same method. Even commercial products like home perms are well-known for causing very uncomfortable irritation and sensitization reactions.

These exposures should be especially considered by pregnant women, because skin absorption can sometimes affect the fetus and not the mother, and asthmatics, who may have a severe attack while all alone in their home.

Okay, having said that - here is a resource that is used professionally, it is a Federal requirement through OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration), and falls under a law called "Hazard Communication - Right to Know" (SARA Title III).

It is called an MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet), and is available online in most cases, and definitely from any manufacturer of any chemical product, including normally seen consumer goods (call the number on the label and ask the company representative).

THE INFORMATION you will find in an MSDS is - the common and chemical name of the ingredients in your product, (a separate MSDS for each ingredient usually), the phsyical/health effects on your "pathways of entry" (absorption through skin, inhalation, ingestion, etc), and if they react with other chemicals in a violent way. The MSDS will even list the level of skin irritation you may expect (mild, medium, etc) from an otherwise "okay" to use product.

These MSDS sheets are REQUIRED postings at any job site, even a school cafeteria - OSHA dictates that workers must be trained by their employers in the hazards of the chemicals they work with, and the use of the MSDS sheet (thus the name "Right to Know") Many of you may have had to sit through a half-day training course in this sort of thing. Custodial workers, cafeteria workers, any chain restaraunt worker, beauticians - you name it - by law you SHOULD already have this knowledge, and it applies to chemicals outside of your particular workplace, too.

SOME but not all of these sheets can be found by GOOGLE-ing for OSHA, or MSDS, or the name of the chemical in your product. IF you DON'T KNOW the name of the chemical, look for the "active ingredient" on the label. And like i said, the product manufacturer will be able to provide you with one.

I AM NOT PROPOSING that using this information will let you do whatever you want to your head, and there will be very limited information on the reaction of MIXTURES of two otherwise "safe" chemicals - but it will empower you to know as much as you can about the immediate (acute) and long-term (chronic) health hazards of the chemicals you are choosing to rub onto your body.
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Old 03-30-2006, 04:25 AM   #2
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I dont know if this is related to your thread or not but I have been keepin track of your other threads and posts and I know you know quite a bit about the perm deal. Now so far I have bleached my hair til the point it wouldnt get any lighter (damn near white and took 3 different bleaches to get it there), I have also been washing with PM3, Aloe Rid shampoo, and performing the Macujo method and my test is Friday. My question is that after reading all of your threads and posts Ive decided to try performing a home perm tomorrow night and I was wondering if doin it the night before the test would make any difference as opposed to doin it a week before the test? I know it makes your hair more pourus for couple days and thats why Im askin because id I do this then itll be less then 24 hours before I get tested. Also, after I perform the perm would it be cool to do the Macujo method again and wash with the PM3 and Aloe Rid without hindering the perms effectiveness? Thanks for your time!
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Old 03-30-2006, 07:34 AM   #3
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Wicked this is a perfect "first comment" for this thread.

I am not an expert on what is working, only good at researching and explaining reasons why things could or may not work, and picking through the helpful proof from the bullshit. So i can't tell you how many treatments you'd need - though i have made it clear that i believe a perm is an effective one - i have also said that BLEACHING is also effective, and you've done that three times - but there are so many variables and i have no idea how effective the different treatments are.

But since you asked for my opinion, I'd say that you have already maximized your treatments- and don't need to do anything else. You're lucky if you have hair left on your head at all!

The shampoos are safe, no matter how much you use. But bleaching, MaCuj0, and perms are all irritating, and eventually if you irritate your skin enough times, you may develop long-term sensitivity and allergies. Also, you may eventually damage the hair follicles to the point that you don't grow hair on your head like you used to.....and the scariest possiblity is that continued chemical insult is one of the ways to promote formation of cancer cells. Is that worth the job?

That's the point of this particular thread, to learn about what we're using in terms of danger to health, not in terms of what works for cleaning. We're all so focused on cleaning that sometimes we forget that there may be unfortunate consequences to what we're doing.

I don't know your "stats" - how much you smoke, how long abstained before the test, your type of hair (by race and description), metabolic rate (lean and active or large and lazy), and these are all considerations as i'm sure you've read.

Just don't make the mistake i made (yesterday!), which is that after all that head hair treatment, at least treat your body hair with the Aloe Rid and PM3!! If they question your head hair they may resort to body hair!

Best of luck on your test - i'm anxiously awaiting the results of mine, which i hope for (expect) by tomorrow afternoon......and thanks for following my posts, i've become very interested in researching and communicating about these issues.
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Wicked this is a perfect "first comment" for this thread.

I am not an expert on what is working, only good at researching and explaining reasons why things could or may not work, and picking through the helpful proof from the bullshit. So i can't tell you how many treatments you'd need - though i have made it clear that i believe a perm is an effective one - i have also said that BLEACHING is also effective, and you've done that three times - but there are so many variables and i have no idea how effective the different treatments are.

But since you asked for my opinion, I'd say that you have already maximized your treatments- and don't need to do anything else. You're lucky if you have hair left on your head at all!

The shampoos are safe, no matter how much you use. But bleaching, MaCuj0, and perms are all irritating, and eventually if you irritate your skin enough times, you may develop long-term sensitivity and allergies. Also, you may eventually damage the hair follicles to the point that you don't grow hair on your head like you used to.....and the scariest possiblity is that continued chemical insult is one of the ways to promote formation of cancer cells. Is that worth the job?

That's the point of this particular thread, to learn about what we're using in terms of danger to health, not in terms of what works for cleaning. We're all so focused on cleaning that sometimes we forget that there may be unfortunate consequences to what we're doing.

I don't know your "stats" - how much you smoke, how long abstained before the test, your type of hair (by race and description), metabolic rate (lean and active or large and lazy), and these are all considerations as i'm sure you've read.

Just don't make the mistake i made (yesterday!), which is that after all that head hair treatment, at least treat your body hair with the Aloe Rid and PM3!! If they question your head hair they may resort to body hair!

Best of luck on your test - i'm anxiously awaiting the results of mine, which i hope for (expect) by tomorrow afternoon......and thanks for following my posts, i've become very interested in researching and communicating about these issues.
Well I dont know if I stated it before but when I had my hair bleached it was done proffesionally with professional strength stuff and as far as my stats go Ive smoked about 2 1/2 normal size bowls since the beginning of this year and most of which was about 2 weeks ago and the other time being at the end of January/early February. It was pretty weak shit which was ok at the time cause I have a very low tolerance cause as you can tell I dont smoke very often at all (2 or 3 times this year). I have a fairly fast metobolic rate and Im fairly active (I run 4 times a week and lift 3 times a week). I know you say I may have maximized my results but I think that Ill go to the local Wally World and check into a home perm kit and price them and read a lil more about the procedure. I just feel right now that if there is a way to reduce the amount of THC in my hair then Im willin to atleast try it.

Thanks for all of your input so far and if you have any other questions about anything Ive done thus far or anything else then check out my thread entitled "Hair Test on the 31st".
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