bumblebeaver

My time has come, I was hoping to get another couple of weeks before the snip snip, but tomorrow is the day. Here's my story:

Male, 5'11", 250, blondish, thinnish hair. Fairly heavy smoker for 25 years or so, although I've quit more than once for 6 months or more at a time. I had been smoking fairly heavily for several months before I stopped this time. The weed wasn't very good, just cheap schwag. I would often smoke the 2-hit maxim (2 bongloads per session) 3 or 4 sessions a night during the week, and maybe 10 or 12 sessions a day on the weekends. If the weed had been better, I'm sure I would have smoked fewer sessions, but the THC ingestion rate would have been higher per session, so it probably averages out.

I found out back on Dec 6 that I would be subjected to a pre-employment hair test, needless to say I stopped smoking that day. At that time I was informed that the test could take place anytime after Feb 15, fortunately I got a few extra weeks of clean time, since clean time is your best ally in this war. Tomorrow will be 97 days clean for me. (I carried the 1 for you 1toke)

At about day 76 I got a haircut. I had them use the #8 attachment on the clippers, the barber told me #8 meant a 1" cut. By the .5" per month growth standard, I figure that means the oldest hair still on my head after the haircut was formed 16 or 17 days after I stopped smoking. I don't think I would have pissed clean around day 16 or 17, so I don't think hair formed that day would be clean either. Therefore, I'm doing MacCuj0 today and tomorrow, and I've been using generic aloe rid shampoo for a couple of weeks.

By the same .5" growth standard my hair length should be around 1 3/8" when they snip tomorrow. I think that to a collector's naked eye 1-3/8" should be close enough to 1.5", and they will collect my head hair instead of some other body hair. I have fairly light body hair coverage and the only other body hair that is normally longer than .5" would be my pubes, and I'll be trimming those to .5" tonight.

Well, that's my story. I'll post with more updates as they come in.

FakeBoobsRule

You should cut that last 3/8 inch off. If you have 1 inch of hair, that should be acceptable. 1 & 1/2 inches is not necessary but something like 1/2-3/4 inch might not be enough to some collectors. Then go shave the rest of your body hair off.

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1tokeovertheline

Don't get upset with me, but I don't agree with this. If you use the search feature you will see that some people with less than the 1 1/2 " of head hair have had body hair taken instead. It may or may not be acceptable.
The recommended lenth of the sample is 1 1/2". The collector may or may not take the sample from the head if it isn't the recommended length. Some do and some don't. My understanding is that it is up to the collector.(sec3 could help out with this)
I personally wouldn't want to take the chance of having the hair taken from my body after doing the treatment to my head. If you shave your body hair all off and the head hair length isn't sufficient......you know what happens.
One last thing. The hair test goes back approx. 90 days. Hair grows approx. 1/2 inch every 30 days. If you luck out and they take the 1" from the head they got 60 days history and it helps your results. If they don't accept the 1" of hair....you fucked yourself.
I know you know these measurements and lengths. This is basically explaining for those who don't, the reasons I disagree with you. Then they can decide if they want to take the chance of getting greedy with trimming their hair.

nerphroll

1toke, I'm probably missing something here, but honestly, what happens??? Don't leave me hangin'. Guess I'll have to wait until you wake up. That's ok...I can wait. Let me get some chips...

bumblebeaver

Well, I'm not going to cut anymore, I don't have the time. The snip appointment is at 10 in the morning. I read that thread from the end of October and the guy didn't give his smoking history, he also didn't say if he did treatments to his hair. My bet is that he was a heavy smoker and didn't treat because he believed in the magic of 90 days.

So then by that logic, the hair I was forming after 16 days clean might have been clean hair. For myself, I would more conservatively rely on the urine detection times. Once the blood is clean enough for the kidneys to make clean urine, it should be clean enough to grow clean hair. From day one of my research I realized that 90 was not a magic number, that's why I've figured my body would still be forming tainted hair at least until I could piss clean.

I think the oldest 3/8 of an inch on my head now probably didn't grow in clean, but it has seen the most sunshine, and wear & tear. And for even more distress, I'm going ahead with the MacCuj0 method a couple of times before the snip.

This is an important deal for me, but it's not the end of the world. If I hadn't discovered this site, I would have still been taking this test tomorrow. At least now I feel like I'm going in well armed with knowledge, and much more confidently prepared.

At a certain level I'm pissed at myself for even considering working at a place that makes hiring decisions based upon "character traits" they assume they can determine from drug tests. It's a huge hypocritical drug war scam, and I'm sort of ashamed I don't have the balls to tell them to go fuck themselves.

FakeBoobsRule

This is definitely true, that if your urine is clean then you should be producing clean hair. Since none of us here developed the hair test (as far as I know) we try to gather information from many sources. From what I have gathered and what is also in the Hair Testing stickies by positive4 and Mr. Crowly, it seems that it is possible that you can produce clean hair even though you may have dirty urine. My rationalization on this is because it seems that the blood levels have to be high enough that enough THC metabolites are incorporated into the hair to hit the threshold set on these tests.

1tokeovertheline

Sorry Nerphroll. If you don't have any body hair and you don't hair sufficient hair on your head, they can't give you a hair test. So that would be the same as failing.
There have been a couple of exceptions to the rule where they were given a piss test.
Think about it. You go for an interview with a full head of hair. They tell you that a hair test is a requirement for employment. You go for a hair test without any hair. The collector calls the employer and says "this fucker don't have any hair, why did you send him for a hair test?" The employer answers "He had lots of hair when I interviewed him, maybe he uses drugs and is trying to get out of a hair test." The collector says "Duh!!!!!! you think?"
Moral of the story? No hair = no hair test = no job.
How was that Nerph ?

1tokeovertheline

Did you read sec3's post in that thread. The results can only be as good as the sample.
A few more things to consider:
The hair test isn't a zero tolerance test.
THC metabolites are deposited in the hair only as long as they are in you blood. (Check detection times in my signature...1-72 hours)
Do pot smokers really remember exactly how much they smoke and when.
Some people have reportedly passed with less than 90 days clean.
This is March 13....I can't tell you the date of the last time I smoked.

I do know that exactly 1 year ago today I started the job I have right now and truly believe I wouldn't have the job without the help of this forum. My thanks again to all that posted on this forum. A special thanks to Buzzby (answered my first post), Grillmeats, teufelfisch, and Manatee54.

bumblebeaver

Boobs beat me to the submission, this reply is responding to 1toke's reply.

I know the detection window for a drug blood test is really short, which if you are correct in the assumption that the same info carries into the minimum clean hair growth window, would be even more in my favor. But here's my question... How do the metabolites get from their storage location in your fat cells, to their elimination location in your bladder/urine? They have to travel to your kidneys somehow, and the highway of your body is your bloodstream.

So as a dyed-in-the-wool realist/pessimist I stand by my assumption that a person can't grow clean hair until they can piss clean urine. Then, if we split the difference between your optimistic clean hair grow time of 1-72 hours, and my pessimistic time of 30 or so days (for a heavy smoker like me), my actual oldest hair, which formed 16-17 days after I last smoked, has a damn good chance of being/testing clean without any treatment. Then, since I'm giving it a couple of Macs, and have been getting in the sun as much as possible, I should be golden... But I'm not spending any money counting on that paycheck just yet.

Thanks a bunch for everybody's comments, I never expected this thread would get so much attention.

FakeBoobsRule

I like your thinking because you are taking a worst case scenerio approach which is the most precautionary. Of course as you burn fat cells and THC metabolites are released they enter the bloodstream. These metaboltes then travel all around the body to hairs, other fat cells, the kidneys, the liver, the heart, the brain etc. Some of the metabolites are removed by the kidneys and live, some are sucked up by the hairs, some get redeposited. But since this is not a zero tolerance test, enough may not get incorporated to cause a positive. I have tried to think of a good analogy and although this isn't the best one, think of it like this. Say the speed limit is 70 miles an hour. Zero tolerance would be anything over 70. Well I usually go 74, 75 mph and if I pass a cop shooting radar most will not bother. If you go 80 mph then most will pull you over. You aren't producing 100% clean hair in 3-5 days but the hair isn't dirty enough for the test to measure positive. But your way of thinking, clean urine equals clean hair is absolute.