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ilovegoodnugz

I got this off of a Psychemedics site. Can ANYONE tell me what this babble bullshit means?

"If the protein matrix of the hair has been damaged to the point of breaking (cortex damage) the level of drug can be significantly affected. However, severely treated or damaged hair can be readily identified from the wash ratios and/or staining procedure. "

Does this mean that bleaching DOESN'T work. I smoked once ALL DAY on 420 and have a hair test coming up mid July. I did some other [OFF TOPIC] medication for studying as well. But on the THC side, I did MacuJ0 3 times and sent in a PDT-90 just to get a feel if I am going to pass or not. But I am wondering if I should bleach and re-dye my hair on top of Macuj0 and Nioxin treatment.

On another note I looked up the ingredient list for nioxin here: http://www.nioxin.com/files/ingredients/Ingreds_1-8/System%202.pdf
It contains both propylene glycol, AND tetrasodium EDTA in both the cleanser and scalp therapy. Any ideas on if this stuff is any good?

For the record I smoke 4 times a year maybe, last time was on 420. Did some study related medication in the range of 7 x 10mg over the course of 3 months.

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The thing I HATE about hair test and drug testing in general are all the lies. In the week since I found out I was going to be hair tested I have done ALOT of research it seems EVERYONE lies. People lie to sell you hair products, Quest and Psychemedics lie to make their tests seem foolproof to get more companies to use them, people sign on this board and LIE for one or two posts saying they either passed/failed in order to confuse and sway people who post and read this board. It sucks that even people trying to help each other get infiltrated. Its like losers have nothing better to do but to start flame posts.

Well as a good will gesture to you all, here is a nugget I found on Yahoo, yes everyone uses google so this one slipped past me for awhile. http://www.occ-doc.net/MRO_information.htm
It is a Medical Review Officer (MRO) i.e. people who do hair test, Q & A forum. You can see how they think when they got positives, and it gives alot of ways you can beat their tests. Just search an available year and type Hair or THC or COKE to get past cases where they were up for review. Please thank me if this helps, better yet, please answer my question! Thanks

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ilovegoodnugz

Influence of the cosmetic treatment of hair on drug testing.

Jurado C, Kintz P, Menéndez M, Repetto M.

Instituto Nacional de Toxicología, Sevilla, Spain.

An important issue of concern for drug analysis in hair is the change in the drug concentration induced by the cosmetic treatment of hair. The products used for this treatment are strong bases and they are expected to cause hair damage. As a result drugs may be lost from the hair matrix or, under conditions of environmental contamination, be more easily incorporated into the hair matrix. We investigated the effects of cosmetic treatment in vivo by analysing hair samples selected from people who had treated their hair by bleaching or dyeing before sample collection. All of the subjects admitted a similar drug consumption during the time period for which the strands were analysed. Samples were viewed under a microscope to establish the degree of hair damage. Treated and untreated portions from each lock of hair were then selected, separated and analysed by standard detection procedures for cocaine, opiates, cannabinoids and nicotine. In all cases the drug content in hair that had undergone cosmetic treatment decreased in comparison to untreated hair. The majority of the mean differences were in the range of 40%-60% (cocaine, benzoylecgonine, codeine, 6-acetylmorphine and THC-COOH). For morphine the mean difference was higher than 60%, and two cases (THC and nicotine) differed by approx. 30%. These differences depended not only on the type of cosmetic treatment, as bleaching produced higher decreases than dyeing, but also on the degree of hair damage i.e. the more damaged the hair, the larger the differences in the concentration levels of drugs.

PMID: 9228567 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1tokeovertheline

It means just what it says. If you treat your hair with the MacCujo method for instance, it will screw up the drug test, sometimes....

If that is all you smoked in the 90 days previous to getting tested, you don't need to do anything to your hair. They test the first 1.5 inches from the scalp. Hair grows approx. .5 inches a month. You should be fine.

FakeBoobsRule

You know 1toke, I think psychemedics is trying to suggest they can detect people who damage their hair to help remove metabolites but I don't know how hair ratios and staining detects this. Why can't you get your hair bleached or relaxed or straightened though. This should be beyond psychemedics control over your life.

Also the OP said they smoked once all day on 4/20. I would like further clarification on this. Are they saying they smoked all day long or just one time? Also, to the OP just because you don't say the name of the drug doesn't make it ok to discuss off topic drugs.

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ilovegoodnugz

All day as in wake and bake, bong hits during the afternoon watching movies, all the way till I passed out at night and went to sleep.

 

FakeBoobsRule

Ok, in that case you may have issues passing. Treat your hair.

1tokeovertheline

July 20th will be 3 months clean. Treat if you want to.

1tokeovertheline

The companies have been reporting that "normal" hair care treatments don't affect hair test for a long time. I think they know that damaging the hair "can" help you pass a hair test.
Many people dye and bleach their hair. It's not against the law to bleach and or dye your hair.
Some people just have frizzy hair.
The report by the OP has been on the internet since I started looking to pass a hair test and found this site. It's basically the same thing I read over a year ago. I believe the Quest site is where I first came across it or maybe NORML.
I don't see where this report is any different than the ones that were on the net for a few years. Maybe Pycho-medics is finally admitting that their test can be beat, but we already knew that.

FakeBoobsRule

1Toke I agree that the hair test can be beaten and we know that. I am also only concerned with the first post and not the second post. It looks like what the OP is concerned with is in red and in particular this word:

However, severely treated or damaged hair can be readily identified from the wash ratios and/or staining procedure. "

I read it as psychemedics is saying they can detect people who fuck with their hair and I have never seen that before. In fact the Quest webites says the hair test is unbeatable. So when I read this I interpret this as saying "Yes you can reduce drug metabolite concentration but we can tell." I have never seen this claim on any lab website that tests hair. I wouldn't let this stop me from dumping chemicals in my hair though. This isn't like subbing which is against the law. "I tan, I get my hair colored, I get perms, I swim in my pool all the time" that would be my response.


To Nugs, that was a good link but it didn't have much on THC but it was good. I liked it because I read about 10-15 THC related questions and the pros here gave the same answers the MRO gave almost word for word in some cases.

There were some questions the MRO answered that were asked by other MRO's and questions that many people ask Sec3 and she answered them with the same word for word answers the MRO gave. I'm not surprised at all but just to let new comers know that website has a MRO, we got Sec3!

I also stand by my answer that someone like the OP who had a one day smoke feast in the last 90 days should treat their hair.

Hey Nugs, if you treat your hair cut us a sample of your hair before you treat it from the back of about 70 strands of hair if it is 1 & 1/2 inches long, a few more strands if it is not 1 & 1/2 inches long. Cut as close to the scalp and you can do it in 3 areas so ther isn't a gap. Mark the root end and save it. Maybe we can get a collection and pay for it to be tested by the home hair test kit and see some real world data on the threshold of the hair test. This is a good test case!!!!

Edit: You have already strarted treatment and sent in a post treatment sample and the hair test is mid-July. I high posted because I didn't see that part. My recommendation for treatment was not based on a mid-July sample but because of lag time I would still treat for the THC.

If there was a pre-treatment sample we could have helped answer the question what is a session. The experiment would have gone something like this: Is one day of smoking considered 1 session no matter how much was smoked or should each session be counted? Hypothesis: Each session should be counted separately.

1tokeovertheline

I know that we know it. I said:
I don't see the big deal. I can "readily" tell someone's hair is severely damage without doing a drug test. All you have to do is look at it.
I thought it was common knowledge that they could tell. Like I said, I have read similar articles before.
That is what I was trying to explain. I have and I can't prove it because I don't remember where I read it. Quest says their test is unbeatable. Of course they do. How many companies would use them if they didn't. They have made reference to extreme hair treatment altering the test though. I wish I could remember where it was.
Neither would I. Like I said, it's not against the friggin' law to bleach or dye your hair.

To Nugs, that was a good link but it didn't have much on THC but it was good. I liked it because I read about 10-15 THC related questions and the pros here gave the same answers the MRO gave almost word for word in some cases.

That's fine. I still stand by mine that they don't.