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Calroid

I repeated this question on the huge thread below this one. I didn't realise that the last post on that thread was so old so I decided to form my own thread. Sorry for repeating myself.

Here's my story. I was a heavy user. I quit 90 days ago today. The last time I quit, it took 6 weeks for my urine to test below the 50ng/ml levels. Obviously my urine is now clean. I have read that when the THC compound leaves the fat cells it is deposited into the bloodstream before it enters the urine. What I am wondering is, if it took 6 weeks for my urine to be clean, does that coincide with the time that my hair follicle would start producing clean hair? If so do I only have 48 days of clean hair? (41 days if one minuses the time for the hair to grow above the scalp) I am also assuming that when one can just pass a urine test that the amount left in the body will be insufficient to provide a positive in any new hair growth. Is that a correct assumption? Any answers to these questions will be appreciated.

 

Calroid

No answers .

Ok well after 86 days of abstinence I cut my hair down to 1/4 inch and shaved off my body hair. I figure that is 14 days growth plus 7 days to get above the scalp for a total of a maximum of 21 days growth possibly less. My hair does grow fairly quickly, a little faster than the 1/2 inch a month, or so I think. Is my hair now completely clean? Or should I cut of another 1/4 inch in another months time to be sure? Can someone please let me know if my thinking is correct. It is very important to me that no THC compound can be detected in me. I probably have an impending hair test coming up sometime in the next month or so from the company I work for. They haven't told me about it yet but I know it's coming. Please don't ask me how I know, it's kinda complicated. I'd just like some kind of answer from the experts on this site.

Mastese

That's a pretty complex question. I would think that you are correct in your assumption that it does continue to grow out 'dirty' to some extent, but without a degree in chemistry and biology, I wouldn't even hazard to guess what the levels would be. From what I've read, I can only assume that what contaminents are present durring the abstain/grow-out period would be below cut-off levels. However what you've stated from your experience with urine might contradict that somewhat...but they are entirely different tests as well.

-Mastese

Calroid

Thanks for the response Mastese. Yeah I'm thinking along the same lines but I'm no expert in chemistry either. I was hoping that Sec would beable to give me some input on this matter since she is personally involved in the testing procedure and might know more about this kind of thing. I have spent the last week or so on this site trying to find someone who has tried to find out something along the same lines (probably about 30 - 40 hrs worth). Whilst I did find out a lot of very useful information I was unable to discover an answer to this question. How about it Sec, do you have any light that you could shed on this matter? I do feel that I am in the clear, but like I said I'm no expert. Any input that you have (or anyone else) would be greatly appreciated.

Mastese

Ha! I've spent the past 80 days or so on this site, and haven't recalled seeing anyone report anything specific out on X-number of days after abstaining being considered a significantly dirty period of regrowth for your hair. All I tend to see is for people in the 80-90+ days clean timeline is "You should be good". Otherwise, you'd think that there would be a comonly accepted formula would be talked about more readily..."You need to be clean 90 days plus X-number for clean growth to kick in".

Anyway, good luck to ya!

-Mastese

 

Calroid

Thanks Mastese

Yeah I can't believe that one starts to grow clean hair as so as one stops smoking. I would assume that the more THC that one has built up in their system would mean the longer it takes before clean hair starts to grow. I've read that it takes a maximum of 2 weeks before the blood stream is clean but I don't understand how that can be if the THC compound is deposited in the bloodstream before it enters the urine. I'm assuming that since it took me 6 weeks before I could pass a urine test that 6 weeks is also the time that it took for my bloodstream to clear, and since the hair folicle picks up the THC compound from the bloodstream that it is only after 6 weeks of abstaining that I started to produce clean hair growth. Assuming that my logic is correct that should mean that my hair (21 days of growth at day 86 of abstaining) is completely clean. Hopefully my logic is right. This would also explain why some people with over 100 days of abstinence have managed to fail.

SocialCritic

As far as all evidence points to 90 days clean and about an inch to an inch and a half hair should be fine. Body hair can grow a bit slower, so its usually not a bad idea to shave or trim down any site you do NOT want hair taken from. Leave them your head.

As far as your urine goes....it DOES show up in a slightly different way than your hair b/c you are right in that thc from urine samples can show up for such a lengthy time because it is stored in fat cells. Metabolites deposited in hair come from your blood stream. Detection times in your bloodstream are much lower than in urine (I believe). As long as it is out of your bloodstream your hair does not continue to receive those metabolite deposits (ergo ...clean growth).

With such a long detection time for your urine I HAVE to wonder about your metabolic speed and you hydration. The larger you are the more fat you have the longer it can stay in your system. Also ....when trying to clean out. Drinking large amounts of water/cran juice ect. really DOES make a difference based purely on the fact that you are providing your body more chances to let go of those metabolites. (No, i'm not saying you can pass a piss test just by drinking water...)

Realize thats a bit off topic but I'm curious...edit if ya want.

Calroid

Thanks for the info SocialCritic.

My metabolism is normal at worst and I do exercise fairly frequently (at least 3 hrs/week).The reason it took so long for my urine to clear is probably due to the amount that I have smoked. I am talking about over ten years of smoking with on average about an oz a week for the last five years. Before I last quit (over 90 days ago) I was clean for a few weeks and then rather stupidly I went and smoked 3 oz in 2 weeks. Quite the build up in my system.

Anyway I think I should be in the clear now. Just to be sure I'm cleaning my shortened hair once a day. After spending about 50 hrs researching I'm doing a modified MacCuj0 approach. It appears that the best way to open the cuticle is to use some kind of base substance. So I decided to make a baking soda paste by mixing baking soda in ammonia diluted with water. Leaving that on my hair for a while. Then rinsing out with Tide. Then reapplying the baking soda/ammonia paste. Leaving it on for a while and then applying the Clean and Clear. Leaving that mixture on for a while and then rinsing out with tide. I've also bougnt a hair relaxer that I'm planning to use in the next day or two.

Fairly cheap method (less than $50) but from what I've read it should work. Better to be safe than sorry.

SocialCritic

I could see why it would take some extra time to get ya clean then. The best thing I could recommend would be bleaching w/ 40 volume bleach and redying ...at least twice, 3 times wouldn't hurt. That has been shown to be much more reliable than the mac method at reducing levels. Also if you can afford it, Zydot also does reduce levels (not enough for a standalone solution) but everybit helps. Use the baking soda paste before dying and before using Zydot for best results. Thats about the best advice I can give ya.

Calroid

Yeah I didn't want to bleach and redye due to the speckle grey I have. But the more I think about it the more I think that you are right. If I do it now nobody will notice in a few weeks after my hair grows a little more. I may as well, better to be safe than sorry.

Tomorrow I'll buy the bleach and the dye. 3 times eh? Well I have the time so I may as well.

You've convinced me. Thanks man.