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Arcturus · 11-12-2005, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee

hashishi...

you need to get the stick out of your ass, cuz man, everything has already been done. nothing is really "original" anymore. it pains me to hear you flame on an author, period. if you dont like the books then you dont like them, but you have no right to call him a horrible author, unless you yourself have written a few books, and sold millions of them.

later

Wrong.

He absolutely has a right to call him a horrible author, it's called an opinion. Have you ever ventured forth an 'opinion' on a matter?

For example, have you ever gone to see a movie and said to your friend, "the director is terrible." If so, you had no right to call him terrible, unless you yourself have directed a few movies, and sold millions of them.

It's ironic that you're telling Hashishi to take the stick out of his ass, meanwhile you're the one trying to tell people what they can and can not say on an internet message board. It pains me that instead of a cogent defense of Dan Brown as an author, all you could think of is the logical fallacy that ends your abomination of a post.

Lee · 11-22-2005, 04:05 AM

well Arcturus, i was looking at it from a different point of view. his novels are one of the most talked about/debated that i've heard in a long time. and what do the majority of the people say when they read his books? 'its so good, i cant put it down, blah blah blah.' people read his books in just a couple of days because it gets them hooked. that is what makes him a good author. you may not agree or even like the material he talks about, but the fact is that he can suck you into his story and not let you out until he's finished with you, or you are finished with the book. i wasn't trying to be a dick, it just came off pretty harsh from hashishi, so i was just giving my 'opinion' (which you think i am incapable of doing) on the matter. thats all.

later

Arcturus · 11-22-2005, 05:17 AM

Did you even read what I posted?

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Originally Posted by Lee

well Arcturus, i was looking at it from a different point of view. his novels are one of the most talked about/debated that i've heard in a long time. and what do the majority of the people say when they read his books? 'its so good, i cant put it down, blah blah blah.' people read his books in just a couple of days because it gets them hooked. that is what makes him a good author.

That's what makes him a good author...TO YOU. To me, he sucks, plain and simple. His subject matter, his writing style, his broadly drawn characters, and his muddled presentation of 'facts' turn me off.

Just because according to you the majority of people like his books, does not mean he is, ipso facto, a good author. Yet another logical fallacy.

You seem to be saying the same thing you said in your first post, which is basically "I think Dan Brown is a good author, and therefore it is not justifiable for anyone to criticise him."

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i wasn't trying to be a dick, it just came off pretty harsh from hashishi, so i was just giving my 'opinion' (which you think i am incapable of doing) on the matter. thats all.

Uh to recap for you, your "opinion" was that Hashishi was not allowed to have an opinion, seeing as how Hashishi never wrote a bestseller (your words, remember?).

As for you being incapable of giving an opinion, I never claimed or inferred that was the case. I'm not sure where you're getting that, and again it's a little strange because you're the one who was telling Hashishi in the first place that HE was not allowed to have an opinion.

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you have no right to call him a horrible author, unless you yourself have written a few books, and sold millions of them.

Remember?

**troublemaker_42** · 11-22-2005, 07:42 AM

I've got to agree with Articus, not on whether or not the man is a good author, but that everyone is allowed to have an opinion, even a harsh one that goes against what you personally believe. Hashishi doesn't need to write a best seller to call anyone a horrible author. Hes simply stating an opinion. have you ever criticized the government? HOW DARE YOU....I mean, its not as if you have ever run a country, so therefore you're not allowed an opinion. How do you feel about the group Hanson, or maybe the Bee Gees.....I mean, they've sold millions of records between them, so they must be above criticism right? Well, I've never sold a single albbum, but I happen to think they suck......am I entitled to that opinion?

**Hashishi** · 11-22-2005, 06:37 PM

lol

everytime i see this thread pop up i prep myself for some debate only to find its already been handled

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lit·er·a·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ltr--chr, -chr)
n.
The body of written works of a language, period, or culture.
Imaginative or creative writing, especially of recognized artistic value: “Literature must be an analysis of experience and a synthesis of the findings into a unity”

this is my grounds for referring to him as a bad writer. he may be a good author in the populist sense of the word, but creatively he's pretty desolate.

but your right, i was a bit harsh and that's my weakness...i honestly cannot stand the man. he represents so much of what i dislike and i feel pretty venomous about the geezer. that's my failing and my oppinion. i know it can be difficult when somebody disrespects something you enjoy but you're gona experience a lot of that in life...consider it an educational experience.

having said that i apologise if i came off a bit rash and for all the innumerable times i'm inevitably going to appear so in the future, too

what can i say, i'm an asshole to the core.

nah, there's a lot of stuff i am lovingly passionate about, and i hope i've demonstrated my venom and my passion in equal measures around these parts

SonicDaChronic · 11-23-2005, 04:41 AM

well i believe, he is a brilliant author, the way he explaind divine intervention and all about pagans and **** in da vinci code is awesome..

when i read it , i felt as if he went to a lot of trouble to characterize the information he either got himself or took from somewhere, but he wrote in such a way that made me think "OMG".

yeah my 100 post.........................

SmokeyMcPott · 12-24-2005, 04:15 AM

Love dan brown's stuff. I've yet to read digital fortress though. I hear it was pretty good.

Weet · 12-25-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hashishi

yeah i've read it, and your right, i can't tell you he plagiarised any of it.

he's good at setting plot and creating the story...i'll never call him a good writer though

don't get me wrong, i think his books are a thrill to read...but that's where it should end. all the marketing spin that got bandied about around the time of the holy grail just made me want to scream. that comment earlier about how he "basically disproved religion" is my point in a nutshell.

there are people out there who are actively divulging alternative histories from the dvc. tourists come to rome and ask to be taken around its sites following the routes taken in the book, self-obsessed with the idea that they've got some deeper insight.

as i said, i enjoyed the book BEFORE i started hearing discussions suggesting its accuracy. ITS FICTION for ****'s sake. get a grip.

i know i'm a cynical bastard at heart, and this is partly why i can post **** like this and feel comfortable...or maybe that's self-righteousness

...i get confused. either way, not trying to offend anyone. i just really don't like dan brown. that bloke could sell four mispelled words on the back of a napkin these days. he's another tool of a dumb populist society.

I have to say I agree with you fully on this man.

ADIDAS · 12-27-2005, 01:20 PM

If he wasnt such a good writer, then we wouldnt be talking about him. It stirs up some controversey, and that is what everyone loves these days.

ADIDAS · 12-27-2005, 01:20 PM

If he wasnt such a good writer, then we wouldnt be talking about him. It stirs up some controversey, and that is what everyone loves these days.

11-22-2005, 04:05 AM	#22
Lee Jr. Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 364 Grams: 986.15 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	well Arcturus, i was looking at it from a different point of view. his novels are one of the most talked about/debated that i've heard in a long time. and what do the majority of the people say when they read his books? 'its so good, i cant put it down, blah blah blah.' people read his books in just a couple of days because it gets them hooked. that is what makes him a good author. you may not agree or even like the material he talks about, but the fact is that he can suck you into his story and not let you out until he's finished with you, or you are finished with the book. i wasn't trying to be a dick, it just came off pretty harsh from hashishi, so i was just giving my 'opinion' (which you think i am incapable of doing) on the matter. thats all. later __________________ 'the only truth is Rastafari' -marley

11-22-2005, 07:42 AM	#24
troublemaker_42 0tolerance4BS Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,194 Grams: 23,128.07 Groans: 185 Groaned at 43 Times in 40 Posts Thanks: 1,326 Thanked 2,123 Times in 1,132 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I've got to agree with Articus, not on whether or not the man is a good author, but that everyone is allowed to have an opinion, even a harsh one that goes against what you personally believe. Hashishi doesn't need to write a best seller to call anyone a horrible author. Hes simply stating an opinion. have you ever criticized the government? HOW DARE YOU....I mean, its not as if you have ever run a country, so therefore you're not allowed an opinion. How do you feel about the group Hanson, or maybe the Bee Gees.....I mean, they've sold millions of records between them, so they must be above criticism right? Well, I've never sold a single albbum, but I happen to think they suck......am I entitled to that opinion? __________________ You CANNOT help the poor by destroying the rich. You CANNOT strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You CANNOT bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You CANNOT lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You CANNOT further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You CANNOT build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You CANNOT help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves. I'll stick to my guns, money, religion and freedom...you can keep the change

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SonicDaChronic Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 301 Grams: 2,367.18 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	well i believe, he is a brilliant author, the way he explaind divine intervention and all about pagans and **** in da vinci code is awesome.. when i read it , i felt as if he went to a lot of trouble to characterize the information he either got himself or took from somewhere, but he wrote in such a way that made me think "OMG". yeah my 100 post.........................

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