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MasterCylinder

If he gets the nomination, he'll lose by a landslide. He can write the south off and pretty much of the southwest. He MAY take his homestate but thats about it.

 

Andrew87

I agree. As unfortunate as it is, there are still too many people who will not vote for him simply because of his race. As bad as that may be, you can't argue with the truth, he is a far too polarized candidate to have a shot at winning the general election.

He is too much of an ultra-liberal for my tastes, although I do prefer him over Hillary.

drakester

I voted for Obama, but have changed my mind in light of his pastor's comments. I think that if he becomes the nominee, the Republicans will hit him with attack ads over that. "God d*** America" are three words that are easy to remember, and hard to forget. I don't think Obama's explanation matters at all. The media applauded him, but of course they would, because the media thinks an Obama candidacy is exciting and a Hillary candidacy is boring. But Americans prefer boring over unpatriotic any day. There is a cult of patriotism in this country.

Freedom_User

So your saying that Obama really agrees with the Pastors racist remarks, and has been lying when he says he doesn't?

MasterCylinder

I think Obama has been extremely passive in his response towards his preacher and only came out against him when the media picked up on it. Understand that Obama has been listening to this preacher for 20 friggin years. This minister of hate is Obama's spiritual guide. Now all they are attempting to do is put a spin on it. Oh he said "God damn America" but in a good way. Yes, he said he hated white people but he didn't mean ALL white people.

 

troublemaker_42

Obama is great at the "ifs". First he claimed that he could not abandon his Reverand and whatnot. Then, extremely soon after Rev. Wright retired, he made a public appearence where he said he'd have left the church had Rev. Wright continued to preach there. Nevermind Obama let this man marry him, baptize his children, and attended his church for 20 years before this story blew up. Its pretty damn convinient that only after Rev. Wright retired did Obama ever mention leaving his church. Its Obama trying to come out looking clean after rolling in the mud. Only a fool would believe the comments about him leaving the church after he defended Rev. Wright right up til his retirement. Thats like me saying Bush is a wonderful President, then, after he resigned or stepped down, saying I would have left the country had he continued as our leader. When you roll in shit, its hard to come out smelling like roses, buit it sure didn't stop Obama from trying.

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drakester

Dam right. I hate to say it, because I voted for Obama, and agree with many of his professed opinions. But the fact remains. He is associated with a black racist. Now I've been exposed to black racism myself, so I'm not one of these liberals who views blacks as the victims and whites as the bad guys. I think people are people. But if somebody has been attending a church for 20 years, where the nutcase pastor thinks HIV/AIDS is a government plot to kill black people (what about gays?) then I'm going to be skeptical. Just as I would be for a Mormon candidate (Mitt Romney). Their church believes pretty outrageous malarky, too.

I think Obama's too slick. He's down with Rev. Wright when the Rev. can help get out the black vote. Now he finds it embarrassing that his toleration/approval of Wright's "Message of Hate" (that's what it is) has been exposed. He expects white people to vote him, when his pastor says GOD DAMN AMERICA, and HIV was the white people's attempt to kill blacks?

If I could take my vote back, I would. Go Hillary!

Andrew87

I don't think either one of them was a good a choice. As I pointed out in another thread, the Dems really fucked up (yet again) in this election. Because of GWB's antics, they could've had this one in the bag - if they had just played it safe. Obama and Clinton are both hard-core bleeding heart liberals, I suspect that come November most of the independents will be voting for the more balanced, moderate McCain.

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drakester

I see strong support for McCain throughout the South, and he has roots in the West too. I think he may carry Florida, too. He's a stronger candidate than Bush was, more intelligent by far, and is likely to win.

However I support Hillary Clinton. I'm a liberal and proud of it. McCain supports the same inept, failed policies of G. W. Bush, who has wasted our treasure on war games. A vote for McCain is a vote for having government do nothing at all to help anyone, and to keep today's problems around for the next generation. It's giving up on government, and looking towards big corporations for things like health care. So if you trust Wal-Mart and McDonalds to be there for you when you get sick, then vote for McCain.

The irony is that some of the people who vote for McCain may have cause to regret it later in life when they get ill and walk into the maze of complicated HMO insurance scams, assuming they have insurance in the first place.

drakester

I think Obama sympathizes with his pastor's remarks, and has deep-seated feelings of resentment that parallel Rev. Wright's feelings. He may prefer to use different words, because he's smarter, but his feelings coincide with Rev. Wright.

There's an undercurrent of racism and hatred in the black community, and it's been tolerated for a long time. The Nation of Islam is extremely racist. I read one of their newspapers once, and they want Montana given over to a black homeland (a new country) and $150,000 in reparations for each black person. Now if you want to pay that, just line up and write your check.

Whatever Obama's personal opinion (if he actually has one and isn't merely a power-hungry opportunist), at the very least, it shows incredibly poor political judgment on the part of Obama to have attended the Wright church for 20 years. There were any number of other churches he could have attended. No matter what he says now in order to justify it, the fact remains, and it's going to destroy his candidacy. Blacks comprise 12% of the U.S. population, while whites are still greater than half of the country. The faintest whiff of black radicalism/racism from Obama spells his doom. This is extremely obvious, and I don't really understand what the media is talking about in asking Hillary to quit.