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drakester

[quote=Andrew87;892590]We can judge a candidate based upon prior performance, and the Clinton brand certainly is sterling judging by the economy and general well-being of the country from 1992 - 2000. Look where the country is at now and you can judge accurately of the Republican party, which enjoyed a majority in Congress until the last elections.

Milk costs $4-5 a gallon now, and was $2.29 a gallon when Clinton took office; sugar is $3 for 5 lbs, and cost 99 cents (or less) in the Clinton years. Let alone gas, we all know that one. Inflation is grossly under-reported by the government. The price of basic food items has risen dramatically.

Instead of fixing real problems in the U.S.A., such as the flight of American jobs to overseas countries, and the growing trade imbalance, elected officials are focused on an oversea adventure of zero value which is actually counter-productive to American interests. We have Bush to thank for that. Bush had the support of the Republican party in his war games. McCain can be congratulated for opposing torture, but other than that the Republicans seem to think the U.S.A. should toss morality out the window when it comes to prisoners.

The Republicans have wrecked the U.S. economy, and whether we ever recover is a good question. Meanwhile, our competition has not been asleep. China's GNP is growing 9+% per annum. We are wasting treasure in Iraq, but the most insidious part of the Iraq war isn't even the financial cost. It's the distraction from other more pressing concerns.

The media reports obsessively on Iraq, Iraq, Iraq, and that's what we hear Congress chattering about all the time. But our country is named America, not Iraq, and Iraq's problems are Iraq's, not ours. Instead of prowling the globe looking for new problems, how about fixing the problems here in the U.S.A.? The only thing besides Iraq that I hear Republicans talk about is abortion, gays, and drugs, and their positions are misinformed and wrong.

What we need is a Democratic Administration and a Democratic Congress, and then we might start to see real problems that affect real Americans getting fixed instead of lingering for future generations.

Hillary is the best choice because number one, she doesn't have a crazy pastor running around saying "God Damn America," and that the government developed HIV to kill black people. It doesn't matter what Obama says in his defense, he took his wife and children to that same church for the past 20 years.

Number two, Hillary has the experience any way you cut it. It matters that she was in the White House for eight years, whether in an official capacity or not. Obama is amateur hour, if he had a lick of sense he would have changed churches twenty years ago and never had a Rev. Wright to worry about.

Hillary has the experience to get us out of Iraq. We need to get the hell out of Iraq and let the muslims sort things out for themselves. They are going to hate our guts no matter what we do over there. This is so obvious, I don't know how anybody can argue in favor of staying in Iraq. We will be viewed as the enemy over there now, tomorrow and a hundred years from now, and that's not going to change. Number one, we look different. Our religion is different. Our language. Culture. It's Viet Nam all over again. The Iraqis and the muslims want us dead, and its because we're sticking our nose directly inside their ant hill. The occupation of Iraq is not worth a trillion U.S. dollars, plain and simple. "What's in it for us" is a very good question.

I like McCain better than Bush, because McCain is obviously more intelligent. When I read his speeches, I feel like he listened in school instead of getting drunk with the frat brothers like Bush. So no matter who wins in 2008, there is going to be an improvement because the worst President in U.S. history will be gone.

However I think Hillary is the only candidate who can beat McCain now that the good Rev. Wright has spoken his piece. "GOD DAMN AMERICA" are three words that are easy to remember and hard to forget. Even if the Republicans don't hit Obama with attack ads, those words tend to stick in the craw.

As for Republicans and pot-smoking, I wonder how many of you Republicans remember that former Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich proposed the DEATH PENALTY for 50 grams of pot.

 

WeedGod

If Obama gets the nominee, you'll be hearing from Rev. Wright again.
Here is a link that I think will apply big time in this race....Bradley effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SacredJellybean

I'm gonna let you in on a secret, my man drakester, that few people know. Get ready to have your mind blown. Ready? *drumroll*

Hillary Clinton's husband, Bill, was unfaithful to her. He got blowjobs from an intern named Monica Lewinksi during his time as president. Totally true, man, check wikipedia! Can you imagine that? I don't care what anyone says, she was with him for more than 20 years, she had to have known something was up! Not only that, but Hillary KNOWINGLY associated herself with this man even AFTER he committed this unspeakable act! Shame, shaaaaaaame on you, Hillary!

Obama is the best choice because number one, he doesn't have a crazy husband running around saying "Oral sex isn't sex!" Clearly, drakester, you see that Hillary's continued involvement with a man who was unfaithful to her can be applied directly to her. Who's to say she won't use her wiley female charms to trade secrets and arms with bad people like Kim Jong-il?

Her husband was deceptive, and everyone still hails him as a good president, opening the floodgates to all kinds of acceptable lies from his wife! If she had any sense, she would have divorced him years ago and cut him off.

More experience than Obama? Yes. More foreign policy experience than Obama? Yes. Does she have an advantage over Obama in this capacity? Yes. Is this advantage overstated? Yes. It's being exploited and spun around, but every candidate has a gimmick (Obama's is "change", obviously). I'll give you this, though: Bill has had first-hand experience with this sort of thing, and with him helping her out, it turns that slight advantage into a larger one.

Better yet, if he had any sense, he would hop into a time machine and tell his past self not to join the church and have a better shot at president! But I don't know if I like my presidential candidates messing around with the space-time continuum, so maybe not.

If you want your presidential candidate to have 20 years of foresight, that's cool. Don't we all want a president with such incredible psychic powers? Especially if he had telekinesis and could make dissenters' heads explode, that'd be bro-awesome.

Whoa guys! One republican has a draconian view on the War on Marijuana. We better steer clear of the rest of'em! You know that hive-like mentality they have, with so little room for free thought!

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Andrew87

Drakester, your posts in this thread are so dogmatic I had to consider whether or not your most recent one even deserved a response. Turns out, you've only confirmed my original suspicions. You have apparently equated all Republicans as evil, even though your sweeping generalizations only apply to a relatively small portion of the party - whom I dislike as much as you obviously seem to.

You seem so dead-set on Hillary Clinton that you are unable to be objective - she has a great deal of flaws that you seem to completely ignore.

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troublemaker_42

"Saying Hillary has cabinet experience is like calling Yoko Ono a Beatle".....I wish I could take credit for that quote, but I can't. However, it still holds true!

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Jack0

After reading over this thread, I am almost embarrassed to have liberal views, but I guess I won't add to the embarrassment by following this trendy lack of objectivity that (some) other "liberals" who have posted here have proven themselves to have.

It's a shame that the more antagonistic and polarizing candidates stir up more of a ruckus and the masses end up being attracted to them like moths to a flame, because a lot of politicians would probably be more at home on the WWE with their shit-talking, and inability to find a "middle-ground". Too bad they can't blame their lack of ability to compromise on "roid rage".

Oh yeah, and to stay on the topic of this thread, Hillary may win the nomination now, since ol' Barack made his "God and guns" comment. Plus, I'm purely speculating here, but I'm thinking that the reason he didn't leave Rev. Wright's church a long time ago is because he simply had no idea what was going on there. If you'll notice, he joined the church conveniently right before his first bid for a political office, so was he a regular there, or was this merely (excuse the cynicism) a calculated political move? If this is the case, of course he can't tell the truth after trying to emphasize his strong religious beliefs, by saying something like, "Well, here's the thing...uh...the reason I didn't leave the church is because I only went twice a year to start with...and uh...Rev. Wright never really bashed America or talked about AIDS during the Christmas and Easter services...uh"

troublemaker_42

Considering Rev. Wright married Obama, baptized his children, etc I find it hard to believe he was clueless as to what the Rev. was really about. What little respect I had for Obama left when, convieintly immediately after Rev. Wright retireds, Obama publically stated he'd have left the church had Rev. Wright continued to preach there. Yet, weeks before, he said he couldn't abandom someone so close to him, and that just because they didn't share viewpoints didn't mean that the relationship had to suffer. Obama turned his back on his so-called "spiritual advisor" ONLY after the man had retired. Its pretty easy to say "I'd have left if...." after Rev. Wright was already gone. Thats like saying, "I would have won the lottery, if only I had picked the right numbers last night"

Being a small town/ rural type of guy, you can be assured his little elitest comment about small town folks clinging to their guns and religion didn't fly with me either, espeically, when in his apology, he said something along the lines of "I only said what we all know to be true" or something along those lines. Of course, Hillary came out in support of gun rights immediately after Obama's fumble. I find this hilarious since her husband signed the assault weapons ban(which was a meaningless piece of legislation that basically banned guns for certain comestic features, not anything that made them inherently dangerous to either the shooter or the public at large, or that affected their basic operation. "Machine guns" which many people confuse with the so-called assault weapons have been heavily regulated since the 1930's), and Hilary herself purposed a 1000% tax on some handgun ammo. Don't be fooled....neiother Democratic candidate favors "gun rights". However, it being an election year, you can bet they'll put on a great charade. Wouldn't want to risk the votes of the 80 million legal gun owners now would they?

dedbr

SJB.......

I could care less about someones sex life. I hope this doesn't sound sexist, but I really could care less. Jack Kennedy was supposed to be catholic, and he was the head cocksman of all presidents, supposedly......

What pissed me off was the fucker lied about it till the dress came out, then he was, as they say, blown........

And they let him get away with it..........Should of Impeached his ass for lying and getting caught........

Hilly and Bill? Back in the Whitehouse? I feel like I have to pick the lesser of three evils.........Bill, Barack or John........Sounds like the disciples.....I'm gonna be sick I think........


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Jack0

80 million? That seems to be a pretty high figure...that would imply that almost half of the voting population is a member of the NRA. I'm not sure if I buy that one. Other than that, I have no qualms with what you said.

troublemaker_42

I misspoke...I actually gave the number of legal gun owners in the US. Cetainly, they don't all belong to the NRA. However, those who enjoy shooting sports are fiercely protective of that right, and any Democrtatic candidate would be foolish to come out on a platform of supporting stricter gun control.