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dedbr

There ya go. That's the way I feel. I'm wrong and can be misled by public pronouncements just like anyone else, but I vote for the person who is best for the job.

Hilllary and Barack don't cut it with me.......


Some Where In Ded Land............

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Buzzby

I vote for the candidate with whom I most agree who actually has a chance of getting elected. If I do otherwise, I'm throwing away my vote and improving the odds for the person I least want to get elected.

I understand your idealistic stance. I simply disagree with it. Idealism has little business in practical politics. Politics is the art of the possible, including many compromises away from anyone's optimum desires.

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sterbo

Anyone's vote, based on conscience, is never "throwing away". The real problem is the mindset that, based on polls or other rather vague proclamations, that we are wasting our vote- ergo it becomes self fulfilling.
The hour is at hand. Let's all take a hard look at where 'voting for the most electable has gotten us - I maintain it is not very far. We are painful memories of a dream long ago...

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Buzzby

That's a fine idealistic point-of-view. Now let's look at reality. It's 2000. GWB, Al Gore, and Ralph Nader are running for President, along with several minor party candidates. Nader draws off 2.7% of the vote that would probably have gone to Gore, electing him. Instead, GWB takes the White House.

Because of people who "voted their conscience" we've got an unnecessary war in Iraq, a bloated national debt that our great-great-great-grandchildren will be paying off, and all the wonderful "benefits" of the GWB Presidency.

Plainsman1963

Eh, one person's idealism is another's pragmatism.

I hear a lot of people saying that democrat or republican, it just don't matter anymore, but besides folks voting for 3rd party candidates...Or voting who they think will do the best job regardless of political party, how else do these folks think things are going to change?

2000 was 2000. Whether it was the 2.7 % (do we have a breakdown of who they would have voted for if not Nader, or we just assuming?), or the purging of the voters in Florida, or the Florida Supreme Court stop the recount...I find it hard to point fingers at people who actually went out to vote (unlike the 46% who couldn't be bothered) as the sole cause of the current administration.

An argument could be made (and has quite often by the more jaded among us) that any vote is a "wasted" vote.

I'll "waste" mine trying to do what I think is right for the country, etc. and not pimp my citizenship, my common sense and my moral compass out to get a "lesser evil" in office.
Those "lesser" evils are still pretty fucking evil.

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dedbr

Religion and politics, the best things we have to discuss it seems......

If Al Gore would of been elected President because Nader threw his votes to Gore, I would still be gagging every time I heard his name.

Now understand me, I disagree with some things Bush has done, but overall, I think he has done the best he could with what he had.........his self.

Now we come back around to another major election, and as usual, I'm waiting for the two biggest fish to flop to the top so I can put them under the microscope and see if they weigh out. Voting is the easy part, see? Picking out the best fish is the hard part.

We recently had an election for governor here in Ohio. Did the best man win? That will remain to be seen. I just hope we can provide food and health care for the ones who need it. I hope we can see an end to Iraq. Holy Jesus, what a cluster-fuck that turned out to be.

I vote for the best chance we have for those things to come true. Unrealistic? Wasted vote? Sure, it could be all those things. But it's my vote. Mine. I refuse to give in to the pack mentality and vote for a favorite. I like to think it's one of my better qualities.


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1tokeovertheline

I basically do the same thing. I don't vote for the party, I vote for who I think will do the best job. That is a hard choice sometimes with what we have to pick from. I vote so I have the right to bitch. I feel if I don't vote why sound I have the right to bitch about who is elected.
An example of your vote counting......2 years ago a guy that was running for union president lost by five votes. The reason.......his shift didn't bother to go vote because it was their day off and they thought he would win anyway. How many in his department on his shift that didn't vote.........15 people all of which would have voted for him if they would have taken the time. Results.........stuck with the same fucking asshole for another 3 years.

This goes to show that your vote can get another asshole elected so your not stuck with the same one.

sterbo

Thanks for that 'Plains' -

Some believe that the reason we are born into this life, at this moment, is to accept the challenges put upon us whether blissful or seemingly utterly unbearable. Our response (decision) to each of those moments is what defines ourself and our spirit through the course of time. I reckon that each time I take the easy way out or compromise what I know is right - in my heart - then I have failed to take advantage of that moment. As those of us who are older know all too well, the time we have in this body, that once seemed infinite is rather more of a flash fire.
When the sand runs out and we can give a nod to ourself that we held true more times then not then our journey in spirit will be well spent...

The difficulty I have with this kind of response is that it seems rather myopic. Opinions are usually diverse in nature. One can be, as in my case, idealistic and realistic. I have, over the years, worked hard to integrate both into my process. I maintain that idealism has every reason to be a part of politics, to temper politics' slippery slide into a so called compromise that maligns our dignity. It is a given that we all must compromise. The question is always, have we sold our collective soul to do it...

blujeep1111

I'd have to disagree on that one. You'd be surprised at how many people continue to hold onto racist ideas, and pass them onto their children. I would know, quite a few of my family members are racist and many people I graduated high school with also share these beliefs. It does not matter how Obama dresses or acts, I'm positive that MANY people would not vote for him based on the simple fact that he is black. To believe otherwise is quite naive. I'm not saying it is impossible for him to be elected, but the racial barrier does exist.

Colby

Hillary will say anything to win. I dont see how anyone can believe a word out of her mouth. She says some of the stupidest things and dumbest quotes.

Obama is 43 I believe. He only has experience running the Illionois ballot. He is a joke aswell. We have more experienced buisness owners then politicians.

But no one is looking good for the Republicans aswell. Ron Paul is the best so far.


BTW, If Hillary or Obama doesnt win presidency, They will call America racist and sexest.

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