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Old 08-09-2007, 05:38 PM   #31
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It's difficult being put in between someone you don't like and someone you don't know. I have liked almost everything barak has said. Recently talking about hunting bin Laden like we should instead of Iraq. At this point Iraq is our responsibility and it will be monumentally more difficult to up and leave like we did so dramatically in Vietnam. At least his heart is in the right place. LOL. Pakistan has nukes and an illusory government so it's kind of a touchy issue to send a small force from a stretched military to hunt a terrorist leader and company without permission.

We also need to take into consideration, above all, something that our country really took a shit on in 00 and 04. You need to investigate who is getting this president elected, in our country it is NOT your votes. All presidents, even the good ones, have obligations to satisfy their constituency who got them elected. This is why you find Bush being so steadfast on many issues, or more steadfast at least.

I think it's too early for either of these candidates to truly commit themselves. Our problems now lie in a President who has a badly skewed vision of where and what America should be doing in the world. And according to that vision he is acting as he feels he should almost unilaterally. Now you know enough to know my two big issues:

1 - Where, how, why and all that shit about candidate's "vision" of America's purpose in the world.
2 - Accountability. The unilateralism in the Bush administration is disgusting and has been putrid since before September 11th. Do any of you remember the appointment of Jon Bolton as ambassador to the UN. I wrote my whole senior paper on that and the withdrawal from the ABM missile treaty.

We're not Rome; nor have we ever been. We're not the god damned Justice League either. The outcome of WW2 may call question to what I just said, but do you remember how and why we ever involved ourselves in that mess?

And as much as I like Obama just for being who he is and shaking things up - which god knows we need right now; I can't forget the benefits of having the Clinton's back in office. The international community loves the Clinton's and all they have done / will do. God knows we need to curry a little favor with the world at large.
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Old 08-09-2007, 05:44 PM   #32
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i dont mean to be racist...or against women but this world is turning upside down....and if a black president is elected as i said not to be racist but then the blacks will or a majority...the ignorant ones will think they are all in power and use that to their advantage im very political im not gonna sit here and explain all the bullshit about america i know to much history and i know only so much corruption the news, the newspapers 75% are lies and scandals and america trying to cover something up and butting themselves in other countries business. as i was saying about the ignorants who do not understand, to my opinion it may sound weird but i think we might have a civil war between white and blacks...it would eventually become under control and im sorry but idk there would be some kind of scandal where he wouldnt get in due to the fact that every president has been...white...old and i believe the majority of politicians are white...since u have to be aleast 33 i believe if im wrong its somewhere in that area, idk i dont like our democrates right now. we might suffer from another 4-8 years of republicanism, if so....fuck...if not...well idk were still kinda in a 50/50 area, were in a bad wave..lets just hope some calm water comes along. maybe they should all smoke a joint...well wait...nvm they would never know how to come in contact with their inner selves on the first joint, well maybe obama since he burned before. i dont like his belief on gateway drug, u make it a gateway drug, pot was not my first drug, pills and acid were so i dont see that...i mean i dont turn it into one either i just do what i do and thats it. other people just do pot first cause its so easy to get, and if you know someone who can get pot then they obv know someone who can get another drug. but just because i smoked some reefer didnt mean i went and asked for some cocaine...thats something i would never do...my opinion...i kinda jumped around topic to topic and its kinda hard to understand none the less, sry about that i have a problem like that lol...and im alittle stoned right now...

You need to rethink some shit. Nothing you said has anything to do with issues that matter. I hope you're too young to vote. Also, you're a bit of a racist.
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Old 08-09-2007, 07:13 PM   #33
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I really do not care about either Obama or Clinton. I think that both would just be another liberal in the line of Bill Clinton. Look, I hate Dubya for what he has done to our nation, but I still don't ever think I could vote for someone as liberal as Obama or Clinton.

If I had to choose, I'd vote for Obama. For no reason other than that I can look into his eyes and feel that he would not lie to me.
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Old 08-11-2007, 08:05 PM   #35
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honestly I don't think being black would hurt mr obama. Likely even the opposite I think.

People seem to associate anti-black with anti-ghetto/thuggish. I think they are seperate, and the number of anti-blacks left in american is very low.

The problem is that 90% of the ghetto/thuggish culture is comprised of blacks, and the other 10% is 8% hispanic and 2% something else. That is... based on what you see on MTV, which is where people are getting it.

This isn't a black man with a grill and doo-rag and I think america recognizes that. Plus I think it would make the american people feel warm and fuzzy inside to elect a black man.

It makes a great talking point... except for me im fucking sick of hearing it.

It's working in his favor already as far as I can tell. I just want to hear about his politics.
Why would you ever base any of your thinking on MTV?
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Old 08-12-2007, 06:43 PM   #36
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why not? lol

i think obama would kick clintons ass in a fist fight, hes way younger
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i think obama would kick clintons ass in a fist fight, hes way younger
Therefore we should elect him? I don't see your logic
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Therefore we should elect him? I don't see your logic

its called a joke.I made it because of the "VS" in the title. it just wasn't a fuuny one.


I guess its your job to question every post then eh? Don't you roll your eyes at me.

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