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Old 09-28-2007, 03:22 AM   #1
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once again the campaign season is upon us, and i cant help realize that once again we have such a disappointed democratic field. everyone on the left is bought by the major corporations, and i think that makes them worse than republicans because they pretend to be for the average American. Clinton has a good chance of being president...again...and that presidency was more conservative than many republican administrations, (increase war on drugs, expansion of NAFTA, so called welfare reform) what we need is real reform, and it looks like we may never get it.
America doesn't rule the world, corporations do, and they own our candidates. Now even more outrageous. Clinton obama and edwards cant commit to troop withdrawl on the most unpopular war since vietnam. are you kidding me? this is a complete disaster.
Whats funny is that when a real candidate who is not bought and sold like Ralph Nader who has devoted his life to progressive causes not only does he get no respect, he actively gets smeard...by democrats!
whats it gonna take to make change happen?

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Old 09-28-2007, 02:30 PM   #2
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I agree. When you look at the so-called big three what do you see? Less than 20 years (total) of undistinguished Senate service..not a one of them has ever governed or managed a damn thing beyond Bill Clinton's Wife running the First Lady staff (something Laura Bush does just as well). This is not to say that they are dummies like the persent occupant but they are not the type that I want running the country and speaking for us. GOP is hardly better...
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Democrats, suck, mate.

They are in favor of mob-rule, lynch mod type of stuff. The think that money is distributed, not earned.

Republicans aren't too good, but you have a better chance of finding that libertarian diamond in the rough with them.
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Democrats, suck, mate.

They are in favor of mob-rule, lynch mod type of stuff. The think that money is distributed, not earned.
Is that a swipe at our staff? Just kidding, but I couldn't help but point it out!!!
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Old 10-13-2007, 06:12 PM   #5
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Old 10-14-2007, 08:40 PM   #6
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Do you enjoy it outside of the US? Because if not then it's not legal. Even with a medical card it's still against federal law.
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i think the whole movement of libertarianism is kind of backwards. Rob Paul is in favor of vast corporate ownership of basically everything except a few essential services such as the military and police.
The problem with this?
Ron Paul comes from an 19th century model that no longer exists. Corporations are no longer run by small companies competing with each other, but rather multinational corporations that rape and plunder the earth, reduce wages worldwide, cause unemployment of blue collar workers in the US, and an increasing amount of professionals. They collude with authoritarian governments such as the World Bank, IMF, and China to assist in the tyranny against workers. Multinationals answer to no one but a small number of board of shareholders who care about only one thing: profit, by any means necessary. any thing hurt in he process is called an "externality," including mother earth. Wake up.
These multinationals are creating there own authoritarian rule. Today a small minority of the world's "elite" are colluding to hand over Costa Rica to U.S Multinationals.
IRC Americas Program | CAFTA in Costa Rica Would Cause Deepening Inequality
The intellectual property rights mean that corporations actually own ideas, including ideas about farming, meaning that countries in south america cannot plant certain seeds because they are patented by US companies. They are also moving to copyright certain plants in the natural environment.
So going "Libertarian" is simply replacing one tyranny for another. I believe in radical democracy, a full participation of the workers in the workplace and in government. this is the only way to take a stand against the multinational corporation/authoritarian rule. Multinationals have also warped our childhood and education with new approaches to marketing. We need to wake up and stand for our rights.
According to Paul, “Property rights are the foundation of all rights in a free society.” So the “freedom” he advocates is a society with no income taxes, little or no government programs for the poor or disadvantaged, and no regulation of occupational safety and health, environmental or food and drug standards.
During boom and bust cycles market speculators first over borrow and over produce, flooding the market with products we don't need, and even creating dummy businesses to make money on market speculation and not pay taxes. then when the market "gets too hot" they pull all the capital out of the market and cause a recession. They make money off other peoples labor, not producing wealth of there own. Either way these capitalists make money and working families take the hit without any defense. These market speculations of George Soros and Warren Buffet, would actually be encouraged in Ron Paul's system. The corporations are also keeping living standards in mexico low through nafta, to encourage low skilled immigration in the United States to drive down wages. All efforts to unionize are suppressed.
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What has the government done better than the market?

Building roads...maybe...

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Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven’t had capitalism. A system of capitalism presumes sound money, not fiat money manipulated by a central bank. Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts and interest rates that are determined by savings, not credit creation by a central bank. It’s not capitalism when the system is plagued with incomprehensible rules regarding mergers, acquisitions, and stock sales, along with wage controls, price controls, protectionism, corporate subsidies, international management of trade, complex and punishing corporate taxes, privileged government contracts to the military-industrial complex, and a foreign policy controlled by corporate interests and overseas investments. Add to this centralized federal mismanagement of farming, education, medicine, insurance, banking and welfare. This is not capitalism!
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Uh, just to point out a logical fallacy of the original post... NAFTA is not a conservative thing. NAFTA is very much a liberal dream.
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Everyone in the left is bought by corporations?!

If that were true they might be a bit smarter
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