Obama and Animal Rights

**troublemaker_42** · 03-11-2008, 12:08 PM

Michael Markarian: Animals & Politics: The Presidential Files: Barack Obama and the Dog-acity of Hope

Just what we all need...a pro animal rights presidentail candidate!

AS someone who hunts and ranches, the idea of him being president scares the living hell out of me.

negaDuck · 03-11-2008, 02:06 PM

Link doesn't work for me...maybe it's 503 instead of 404 but i'm getting nothin here

However, that doesn't really detract from my point. Which is around here somewhere. How ya been TM? Quite a while since we met up on these boards. Hope you got to kill something big lately, know how much you love killin big things and all.

Oh yeah. ok. Back on track. Obama.

I couldn't read that article you linked to, but I did some digging and found that Obama is more or less against animal cruelty....a category that doesn't include hunting. As a matter of fact, it seems that his record in the senate reflects a, if not friendship towards then an understanding and respect of, hunters. It's all about puppy mills and cock fighting, and he want's shit like Michael Vick's Bad Newz Kennels to generate more prison time for it's active "employees" and "trainers". I'd stand behind that....and I'm sure your dog lovin ass would to. I have a feeling that even if he DID have an animosity towards hunters and hunting, he's smart enough to keep his personal shit out of his presidency.

But then again that is the side of tha line I stand on. With Obama either you think he's tha second coming or he's tha anti christ. seems to be very few people that don't have a strong opinion of him one way or tha other.

Plainsman1963 · 03-11-2008, 02:17 PM

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While Obama has said that he supports the rights of hunters and sportsmen, he has not gone out of his way to stress the point, and has not—as some other candidates have—dressed up in camo and gunned down animals with the television cameras in tow.

Against dog and cock fighting and puppy mills and supports hunter's rights...I don't see a reason to worry?

And I don't have a strong opinion about Obama...

Trocisp · 03-11-2008, 02:34 PM

TM, alarmist much?

Pro animal rights is not the same thing as against hunting.

It's just against animal cruelty.

Viper420 · 03-11-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by troublemaker_42

Michael Markarian: Animals & Politics: The Presidential Files: Barack Obama and the Dog-acity of Hope

Just what we all need...a pro animal rights presidentail candidate!

AS someone who hunts and ranches, the idea of him being president scares the living hell out of me.

You need to be afraid of him. He's an ultra liberal politician and as the lights of the media begin to really shine on him, his luster will drop off quickly. He still has alot to explain about that shady land deal with the lobbyist.

**Vicki** · 03-11-2008, 03:30 PM

If he is for animal rights, that's great. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be kinder to animals.

Trocisp · 03-11-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper420

You need to be afraid of him. He's an ultra liberal politician and as the lights of the media begin to really shine on him, his luster will drop off quickly. He still has alot to explain about that shady land deal with the lobbyist.

I wonder, if this is true, why haven't you provided any links backing up your accusations rather than just back-door insults and implied impropriety?

**timiscute** · 03-11-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper420

He's an ultra liberal politician and as the lights of the media begin to really shine on him, his luster will drop off quickly.

Haven't the media lights been shining on him for like months now. I mean I think they've already begun. Some hate him some love him. Like all politicians. It's all the same.

~Tim

P.S. Is this the land deal you were talking about?
Obama Says He Regrets Land Deal With Fundraiser - washingtonpost.com

My only response to that is that most lobbyists are scum bags and it seems like this wasn't even a big deal. Also I bet this lobbyist has alot less pull with Barack than Vicki Iseman has over McCain. I mean land deals are cool but I'd do alot more for sex than land.

SpiralArchitect · 03-11-2008, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vicki
If he is for animal rights, that's great. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be kinder to animals.

Amen.

I'm not a huge Obama supporter, but I like some of his views - not all, but some - I think he is probably one of the better viable candidates we will get to choose from.

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Originally posted by negaDuck
With Obama either you think he's tha second coming or he's tha anti christ.

It sure seems like it! I wish I still had this great comic about Obama, and how the Media is eating him up with a golden spoon...

edit: I briefed the article (school in a few minutes) and saw this:

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After being elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Obama has continued his record of support for animal protection laws. He voted to end the federal funding of horse slaughter in 2005, and he is currently a co-sponsor of new legislation to stop horse slaughter and the export of horses for human consumption. He co-sponsored legislation which was enacted this May to upgrade the federal penalties for dogfighting and cockfighting, and he is a co-sponsor of new legislation to ban the possession of fighting dogs and being a spectator at a dogfight. He signed a letter requesting increased funds for the enforcement of the Animal Welfare Act, Humane Methods of Slaughter Act, and the federal animal fighting law, and he also sent a letter to the National Zoo expressing his concern for the care of Toni the elephant.

It sounds to me like he isn't against hunting at all TM, I don't think you have anything to worry about (unless your a horse slaughterer, cock fighter, or hold dog fights at your house). Honestly, I agree with him here - the punishment for animal cruelty should be severe.

**troublemaker_42** · 03-11-2008, 06:05 PM

http://www.marijuana.com/republican-...tml#post881492

What does the closesure of the horse slaughter plants have to do with cock and dogfighting? How does the closure of such facilites affect animal cruelty except to increase it? I'm not agsaint treating animals humanely. I LOVE animals, and think cruelty to animals is wrong. However, the clossure of the salughter plants does nothing to reduce animal cruelty. it looks nice and comfy on the surface, but dig just a little bit under the surface, and you can see that it potentially creates MORE abuse and neglect problems. This type of legislation doesn't HELP animals, it increeases the odds of them suffering. its" feel good " legislation, nothing more. it doesn't establish alternatives, it doesn't address MANY issues....it just makes people feel as if they are doing something positive while actually causing animals potentially MORE harm.

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negaDuck try it... Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,798 Grams: 31,717.54 Thanks: 1,379 Thanked 1,089 Times in 483 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Link doesn't work for me...maybe it's 503 instead of 404 but i'm getting nothin here However, that doesn't really detract from my point. Which is around here somewhere. How ya been TM? Quite a while since we met up on these boards. Hope you got to kill something big lately, know how much you love killin big things and all. Oh yeah. ok. Back on track. Obama. I couldn't read that article you linked to, but I did some digging and found that Obama is more or less against animal cruelty....a category that doesn't include hunting. As a matter of fact, it seems that his record in the senate reflects a, if not friendship towards then an understanding and respect of, hunters. It's all about puppy mills and cock fighting, and he want's shit like Michael Vick's Bad Newz Kennels to generate more prison time for it's active "employees" and "trainers". I'd stand behind that....and I'm sure your dog lovin ass would to. I have a feeling that even if he DID have an animosity towards hunters and hunting, he's smart enough to keep his personal shit out of his presidency. But then again that is the side of tha line I stand on. With Obama either you think he's tha second coming or he's tha anti christ. seems to be very few people that don't have a strong opinion of him one way or tha other. __________________ Aziz....LIGHT!!

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Vicki Herbal Alchemist Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,807 Grams: 63,422.67 Thanks: 5,221 Thanked 3,667 Times in 1,946 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	If he is for animal rights, that's great. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be kinder to animals. __________________ Be kinder than necessary as everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Save the Wand Hash! Hungry? Non-Cannabis Recipes Want real free samples? Those that forget the past are condemned to re-live it. "If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man." ~ St. Francis of Assisi ~

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troublemaker_42 0tolerance4BS Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,928 Grams: 49,637.70 Thanks: 2,889 Thanked 4,082 Times in 1,988 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	http://www.marijuana.com/republican-...tml#post881492 What does the closesure of the horse slaughter plants have to do with cock and dogfighting? How does the closure of such facilites affect animal cruelty except to increase it? I'm not agsaint treating animals humanely. I LOVE animals, and think cruelty to animals is wrong. However, the clossure of the salughter plants does nothing to reduce animal cruelty. it looks nice and comfy on the surface, but dig just a little bit under the surface, and you can see that it potentially creates MORE abuse and neglect problems. This type of legislation doesn't HELP animals, it increeases the odds of them suffering. its" feel good " legislation, nothing more. it doesn't establish alternatives, it doesn't address MANY issues....it just makes people feel as if they are doing something positive while actually causing animals potentially MORE harm. Last edited by troublemaker_42 : 03-12-2008 at 09:05 AM.

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