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Old 04-16-2008, 06:01 AM   #11
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I would argue those stats. I know here in SD, possession of even residue left in a snort tube or baggie sends people to prison, often for periods of 5 years or better( I worked in a prison here in SD, and know this to be true not only from inmate accounts, but also from reading their files and sentences). 99% is a HUGE number, and if SD is even remotely on the same page as other states, its in no way accurate. I'd guess that 50%, even 75% of SD felony (any drug other than weed) offenders serve at least a significant stinty in county jail with most of them serving some prison time, often years. I know in major urban areas, it isn't feasible to lock every drug offender up, but in many areas it cqan and does happen on a very regular basis. If I were caught here with a tabof lsd or a gram of coke, you can count on me taking an extended vacation in the South Dakota State Pen
I was referring solely to first offenders, as was originally posted.

If your statement implied this, not only do I stand corrected, but totally shocked. I have never heard of a single case where a first timer received jail for user amounts (of anything - let alone pot).
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Old 04-16-2008, 06:47 AM   #12
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I too am talking about first offenders. Its not only possible, but common, for people charged with possession of a controlled substance to serve time

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Some jurisdictions have mandatory minimums for drug possession sentences. This means that a pre-determined punishment will be ordered in drug possession sentences for possession of certain quantities of certain drugs. These laws give a judge little discretion when determining drug possession sentences and do not take into account a defendant’s background, character, role in the crime, and threat to society. In recent years drug courts have been established throughout the United States to provide non-violent drug offenders with drug treatment programs. Successful completion of these programs can result in reduced or dismissed drug possession sentences. They are also proving to be more effective and less costly than incarceration options
Granted, far fewer people are serving time for first time violations than there were 20 years ago. However, that doesn't mean much to the first time offenders who ARE serving time. It can and does happen, with more frequency than one would like to believe.
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Old 04-17-2008, 04:26 AM   #13
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That's a good article. At least he is steadfast on making the laws a bit more lenient as to not have "first-time, nonviolent drug users in prison for very long periods of time". That's a very good idea. I hope he follows through with that one.
Which means he isn't going to do anything as first timers don't do hard time unless they are major dealers. First time drug USERS usually get a pass.
Seriously folks, this guy isn't any different than any other politician. He's just black, thats all.
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I don't think he's "just black." He's pretty progressive compared to the last eight years of hell we've been through.

If he got picked for leader, he would have a lot of power at his disposal, because the American people are ready to throw the reins at *anybody* who can do a better job than the people in charge now. That gives him the option to do big things, if he chooses.
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Which means he isn't going to do anything as first timers don't do hard time unless they are major dealers. First time drug USERS usually get a pass.
Seriously folks, this guy isn't any different than any other politician. He's just black, thats all.
At least he's talking about it. Most "other politicians" are running away from drugs as if they were... well... drugs.
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Old 04-18-2008, 04:41 AM   #16
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At least he's talking about it. Most "other politicians" are running away from drugs as if they were... well... drugs.
He isn't even talking about it and is pretty much avoiding it like the plague now, thanks to his preacher and his friends from the Weather Underground.
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No, he absoultely isnt going to end the war on drugs.
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Yeah, Obama's a bullshitter. All politicians are. You just have to grab your ankles and accept it, like many other things in life. He's full of shit in some capacity on his beliefs of marijuana legislation reform. He clearly flip-flopped on the issue. Whatever, there are things more important than drug laws right now, and as I've said before, we need to win over more states before even considering something federal. If he promises an end to medical marijuana laws and all of the reform groups try to put pressure on him to follow through, I'm satisfied in that capacity.

However, with our vote we can still damage control. Hillary strikes me as more of a bullshitter than Obama. She's compromised her integrity by getting bought out to halt her social health care plan a decade or however long back, I believe to use towards helping her establish her senatorship (I don't care whether that's an actual word). Not to mention the whole Bosnia mess. Christ, if you have cameras on you at all times, you cannot make a slip-up like that. I just feel like she's made a lot of bad decisions, done a poor job of covering up the fact that she's full of shit. Also, wasn't she saying that Obama couldn't win, up until when she was cornered in the PA debate? Good stuff, I love seeing how consistent each candidate can be.

It's as though her plan to cite her good experience as a politician as an advantage over Obama has simply backfired, because she's pretty much as full of shit as Bill Clinton. Which, given some of his recent quotes to the media, I'd have to say is a pretty big waistline of shit backed up. Fine by me, I actually like Obama's health care plan better - it will cost less, for one, which is vital in this urgent time in our economy, and it respects the civil liberties of adults. Seems like a winning combination to me.

I don't agree with his gun control stances so much, but you can't win'em all. I do like that he's very liberal, though, and would welcome a hearty change in policy from the shitstorm that's been lasting close to 7 years and 3 months or so by now.
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