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Old 05-20-2008, 07:38 PM   #31
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The majority of voters may support medical marijuana, but I've never seen ANYTHING that says the majority of voters support ending the drug war. At best, the Gallup polls have shown approximately 33% of voters support legalizing marijuana.
The drug war is 90% a war on marijuana users. We can deal with the 10% left and convince them to be sane when the marijuana issue turns out to be right on us.
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:43 PM   #32
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The majority of voters may support medical marijuana, but I've never seen ANYTHING that says the majority of voters support ending the drug war. At best, the Gallup polls have shown approximately 33% of voters support legalizing marijuana.
I'm generally talking medical marijuana and decrim, 65% support them. In my state we are undefeated in 45 consecutive, various non binding questions with a margin over 60%. You'ld be surprised we often do slightly better than the polls because they have a tough time dealing with the first time voters that come in just for these issues as well as similiar ones that have been running usually to do with things like casinos, gay marriage, lower taxes, these bring in voters that do care/vote for these issues over useless candidates that change nothing.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:05 AM   #33
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Regardless, the number of people needed even to just legalize marijauan simply aren't there. I think its a given medical mj will have to be accecpted at the federal level soon enough, but as for the widespread legalization of marijuana....we need more people. Even if the polls are slighty skewed against us, 33% is a far cry from the 51% needed. A difference of 28% is significant, and not something that can be accounted for by claiming the polls aren't accurate. As for decriminalization, a vast majority of states have moved towards such ideas. In reality, a joint will only result in jailtime in a small minority of states. Offhand, I can't think of a single state that consioderes personal possession of user amounts a felony, especially on a first offense. Most states offer conditional discharges or similiar programs to keep one's record clean. Its typically much easier on the person being arrested today than it might have been 25 years ago. Decriminlization is a reality in many places, just not on a federal level. Of course, one could (and people often do) argue that the steps taken towards decriminalization aren't going far enough, despite the massive improvements we've seen in recent years in many places.
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:23 AM   #34
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Regardless, the number of people needed even to just legalize marijauan simply aren't there. I think its a given medical mj will have to be accecpted at the federal level soon enough, but as for the widespread legalization of marijuana....we need more people. Even if the polls are slighty skewed against us, 33% is a far cry from the 51% needed. A difference of 28% is significant, and not something that can be accounted for by claiming the polls aren't accurate. As for decriminalization, a vast majority of states have moved towards such ideas. In reality, a joint will only result in jailtime in a small minority of states. Offhand, I can't think of a single state that consioderes personal possession of user amounts a felony, especially on a first offense. Most states offer conditional discharges or similiar programs to keep one's record clean. Its typically much easier on the person being arrested today than it might have been 25 years ago. Decriminlization is a reality in many places, just not on a federal level. Of course, one could (and people often do) argue that the steps taken towards decriminalization aren't going far enough, despite the massive improvements we've seen in recent years in many places.
Decrim is absolutely possible on a national level. And a leader that wins and publicly support marijuana decrim will help us get the remaining stubborn states with bad laws/penalties and criminal records for life (the biggest issue in all of this which equals jobs). You folks want to talk your way out of speaking up for what we know is right.

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Thomas Paine noted, "Arms discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property."

This is exactly what I am doing with my free speech, organizing, activism, and this video peacefully.
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You folks want to talk your way out of speaking up for what we know is right.


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First of all, insulting us when you know little or nothing about us isn't going to make your point any more clear. In fact, a good many people will sense your self-rightious, holier than thou attitude, and dismiss what you have to say outright because of it. Don't make assumptions about people, or put yourlsef on a pedistal. No one wants to be talked down to, and thats exactly what you attempt to do. Just because we have methods that differ from your own doesn't mean we are any less committed to fighting this war than you are. Most of us take a more realistic approach, which you seem to take as "backing down" or some such nonsense. Pick your battles, and fight those that can be won, rather than being so idealistic that you stand little chance of accomplishing anything. Get back to me when you ditch the "I'm better than all of you" attitude. Maybe then we can actually have a rational conversation, but like most people, I'm not keen on being talked down to
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The drug war is 90% a war on marijuana users. We can deal with the 10% left and convince them to be sane when the marijuana issue turns out to be right on us.
Where's the facts to back up this statement? There are many sides to this "Drug War". Do you really think its just about MJ? You sound like the blind man describing the elephant.
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Where's the facts to back up this statement? There are many sides to this "Drug War". Do you really think its just about MJ? You sound like the blind man describing the elephant.
Consider the numbers. They say there about what 500,000 hard core drug users or so in the USA. And how many marijuana users? And compare the numbers of arrests. The drug war, It's mostly arresting people for selling, growing or just holding a little bit of weed. Look at the ONDCP commercials. Mostly about marijuana. Drug testing again mostly about marijuana, because it's the only drug that is really hard to get out of your system unless you wait 2 weeks to 30 days...

I'm not blind.

I'm very close with a criminal defense attorney that primarily takes these cases. And I'm not the first to make that statement. It's backed up.

How many people do know that have been arrested for hard drugs? I might know 1.

And how many do you know arrested for marijuana?
I can think of like 15 in less than a minute...
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First of all, insulting us when you know little or nothing about us isn't going to make your point any more clear. In fact, a good many people will sense your self-rightious, holier than thou attitude, and dismiss what you have to say outright because of it. Don't make assumptions about people, or put yourlsef on a pedistal. No one wants to be talked down to, and thats exactly what you attempt to do. Just because we have methods that differ from your own doesn't mean we are any less committed to fighting this war than you are. Most of us take a more realistic approach, which you seem to take as "backing down" or some such nonsense. Pick your battles, and fight those that can be won, rather than being so idealistic that you stand little chance of accomplishing anything. Get back to me when you ditch the "I'm better than all of you" attitude. Maybe then we can actually have a rational conversation, but like most people, I'm not keen on being talked down to
I can understand your point about preaching and be insulting, it is taken. Just that I am passionate and do not understand the logic of the rationale you keep going back to. Well of course, you are probably just crazy about Obama? Is that it?

Because I keep telling you that I am not looking to change votes or change the outcome of the election. I do not believe my video will do that. It's not the intent of it. I keep saying that and you keep telling me I am naive to believe something that I don't.

The goal is to create views, enthusiasm, awareness, truth, honesty, some discussion, and maybe push Obama and other pols right now and in the future that we are a constituency that cares and will be loud about our issue. That is the goal. It is easy and one we are accomplishing. Not just me at all. If I drop dead tonight, it will continue as it always has. We just have more people. What you keep talking about that is what we are doing. You may not like the tactics but that is not my problem. It works. I know it does, because I see it and watch the new people coming out to our meetings and events, telling me they saw our videos and decided to come down and get more involved.

Consider since I started doing my videos and promoting our events our last three shows were sold out at 10PM. We hadn't sold out a show in like three years. Our Global Marijuana Rally had better turnout as well. Our hearings, the same. We had so many people come out to speak at the state house to the reps for decrim and medical and only one state rep that got the media wrath for his ridiculous comments against. That's a huge change. Years ago it was the other way around! We killed them at the hearings. It was so obviously clear to all it could not be denied even by the media.

Some seem not to really care or believe we can make a difference this way. I'm telling you we are and do. That's my testimony.

I suspect many of the people against this are just ra-ra Obama supporters. That's fine, but if you get close to him for one question, ask him about supporting "marijuana decrim". You can support and ask him to be a better representative to your wishes at the same time. In private or in public. Either way it works.

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Where's the facts to back up this statement? There are many sides to this "Drug War". Do you really think its just about MJ? You sound like the blind man describing the elephant.
According to NIH, 88% of drug arrests in 2002 were for marijuana.

It seems to be a larger percentage every year but of course prescription drug abuse is up lately, so I can't say it's exactly 90% right now, but it is the majority for the lowest harm offense.

I think it was either Allen St. Pierre or Keith Stroup of NORML that spoke of this and that's how I recalled it.



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