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If a non-American wears an American flag pin does that make that person an American patriot?

Anyone can wear a pin or fly a flag. Not saying if you do you're a phony, but it's easy to be a phony and wear a pin. Helping out fellow Americans is another story, and Obama's done that.

I don't walk around with some kind of pot leaf t-shirt or the latest hemp gear, but that doesn't mean I don't like herbs.

Fact is, dress codes are for high school. Now high school is over and you've got government cronies cleaning out the treasury via the money laundry that is Iraq, the dollar is tanking and the bubbles are bursting, the nation to be in debt for generations to come. And the national media, the same one that says you must be borderline retarded if you smoke pot, has everyone gossiping about a goddam pin. I doubt McCain wears a pin every day, and even if he did, is it in your interests to vote a guy in who states up front he won't do anything to help you? The maverick who owes W mucho $$$?

How far you going to take this? Who wears the biggest pins? The most pins? The shiniest pins?

Vote for your self-interests, not baubles.

my opinion, of course

 

Tenderlungs

Fuck the pledge of allegiance. Have you ever heard the whole thing? Fuck that.

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$moKeDanK

i agree, never liked it at all. used to live in arizona, people thought i was weird when i didnt sing along in middle school, i thought the same thing about most of them

Freedom_User

Yeah man. When I was in school, if you did not stand up and act like you are saluting it, then you get detention! The only time I was ever patriotic was when 9/11 happened. And we all really came together to pull out of that depression. Bush later killed all my hopes of America. Once a President comes to office, and can lead us to the Unites States like the founders wanted us to. Then maybe then, will I be mad at Obama for that.

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buddinbuddin

Frankly, I think basing your decision in the voting booth on flag pins is just as bad as voting based upon who you want to have a beer with (GW). So Obama won't wear a flag pin and, thus, is considered unpatriotic. So are these folks going to vote for McCain instead, because it's most likely going to come down to those two? Yeah, that's a good idea...more Bush policies.

I'm seriously concerned about our country's future when people make decisions of this magnitude based upon superficial issues, rather than the real issues.

People (in general) aren't looking past the headlines to find out the story behind it. They aren't confirming facts before believing and/or sharing information in emails. How many of you got the email about Obama being a muslim and going to an afrocentric church? I got it several times and every time I had to reply to all with snopes link to enlighten the well meaning person who didn't bother to look any further. They got an email, believed it, reacted to it, and passed it on.

When people make an issue of flag pins, "bittergate", Rev. Wright, or any superficial issue of the other candidates, I initially believe they must be one of those I described above...As a whole we are not critical thinkers. I wonder just how many of those who are affected by the superficial scandals have ever visited the candidate's web sites and reviewed their plans or gotten news from an indepentent source?

Just for the record, I'm not an Obama supportor. However, I do feel he's getting a raw deal in the media over this BS.

 

Kofinon420

Bush, HA
all the 9/11 conspiracys.
all the shit was staged, we needed oil.

Freedom_User

3 suspended for not standing for Pledge of Allegiance
By PAUL WALSH, Star Tribune

Three small-town eighth-graders in Minnesota were suspended by their principal for not standing Thursday morning for the Pledge of Allegiance, violating a district policy that the principal now says may soon be reworded to protect free speech rights.

"My son wasn't being defiant against America," said Kim Dahl, mother of one of the students, Brandt, who attends Dilworth-Glyndon-Felton Junior High School in northwestern Minnesota.

Brandt told the Forum newspaper in Fargo that Thursday's one-day in-school suspension, "was kind of dumb because I didn't do anything wrong. It should be the people's choice."

Kim Dahl said the "punishment didn't fit the crime. If they wanted to know why he didn't stand, they should've made him write a paper." She said her son has been declining to stand all school year, offered no reason for sitting and was not obligated to explain his actions.

The school's handbook says all students are required to stand but are not required to recite the pledge. The same is true for all four schools in the district, a school official said.

"These three [students] didn't, and they got caught," said Mel Olson, the district's community education director. He said he backs the punishment, "being a veteran and a United States of America citizen, absolutely." Olson served in the Marines in Japan during the Vietnam War.

The head of the Minnesota American Civil Liberties Union said that the school's actions against the students are unconstitutional, and his office informed the district of that today in a strongly worded letter.

"The school can't do that; that's illegal," said Chuck Samuelson, the civil liberties group's executive director. "Wow."

Samuelson said that numerous U.S. Supreme Court rulings dating to the 1940s say in "well-settled constitutional law" that "students who refuse to participate in the pledge cannot be punished for refusing to participate."

Samuelson said he's surprised that any public school district would have such a pledge requirement, given that state law allows for students and teachers to decide not to participate. Most states have the same "opt-out" provision.

In St. Paul, said district spokesman Howie Padilla, "Students can respectfully not participate in the Pledge of Allegiance." Minneapolis schools treat pledge participation the same way.

Colleen Houglum, the principal who suspended the three, acknowledged in a statement late this morning that the policy requirement that " 'all students will stand' may need to be modified to address the protection of the individual's form of expression."

Kim Dahl said Houglum called her this morning and informed her of the possible accommodation. "I think they are handling it quite professionally," Kim Dahl said, adding that Houglum told her that school officials "are taking some steps to take the [suspensions] off their records."

That possible shift was met with disappointment from Olson. While he said he'll fall in line with whatever change may occur, "I still have my beliefs."

Earlier today, Olson said that a "very nice announcement" was made at the start of the junior high school day reminding the students that they must stand for the pledge.

Houglum said that all students this morning were "involved in some fashion" during the pledge, adding that no additional suspensions were needed.

However, the family of 14-year-old Bishop Edens told the Forum that he was suspended from school today (Friday) because he wouldn't stand for the pledge, but he was quickly invited back once Houglum said a policy change might be needed. Edens had said Thursday that he would sit in support of the other three.

"Our social studies teacher led the pledge, and that was kind of a nice change of pace," Houglum said.
Kim Dahl asked Brandt why he has been remained seated all school year, but "he didn't have an answer ... he doesn't get in trouble; he's just a normal 13-year-old."

As for today, she told Brandt to take his cell phone with him to school and text her should he run into trouble again. "I said you should probably just stand if you're not protesting something."
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(Not only is Obama being punished by the media. Students all around the world are being punished by schools. I don't know what you guys think, but if I am forced to warship my flag and Country, I believe that is somewhere along the lines of Communism.

Individuality, and seeking what is best for our Country, instead of worshiping the very flag that is made from cloth. We, the US citizens makes our country, not some symbol of a flag and to recite something word for word.)