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Old 05-26-2008, 07:30 PM   #31
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Illegality of marijuana must be "practical" in some sense, seeing as how it's been illegal for 71 years.
Practical in some sense to somebody, but that somebody aint me or you...and that somebody aint been a lot of people for a long time now. It's the same reason counties stay "dry" or have "blue laws"...it's not because people agree with them, but instead because everyone's just too fucking lazy to do something about it.



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Change will occur more quickly by having conviction, a loud voice, and a refusal to comprimise? Please explain. Doing this can alienate people and hurt our cause. It's not "our way or the highway." They have us by the balls, not vice-versa. We have to take whatever we can get. Though being loud might make your heart feel better, it should hurt your head, because you'll hardly progress with that strategy.
Perhaps I'm in a small minority of people when I say this, but I believe there are certain freedoms in this world that one shouldn't have to compromise to possess like: being able to drink out of any water fountain you choose, being able to say what you want, believe what you want, and do what you want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

The freedom to control what crosses the border into a person's body is important...that is someone's sovereign territory, and the only governing body that should rule over it is the very soul that inhabits it.

I won't make progess with my strategy? haha. Perhaps you don't realize that everything has its place in the social organism...while Martin Luther King was the one to facilitate great progress in the civil rights movement, Malcolm X was the one to light a fire under people's asses and rally the troops.

The biggest problem with legalization, is that many stoners are lazy bitches who won't get up off their ass to change things. Another problem is that many stoners don't like being associated with other "causes" and the professional protesting population who flock to all things ACLU and Amnesty International-related. Just focus on one thing, don't spread ourselves too thin, and stick to the freedom issue, and we can get this bullshit whooped. I personally think the medical marijuana arguement is a bastardly approach, because you try and show that marijuana is not bad with that arguement, as opposed to the "Who gives a fuck it's bad?! It's my fucking life!" arguement. If I have the freedom to drink myself into a coma, I should have the same freedom to smoke myself retarded.
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Old 06-16-2008, 07:48 PM   #32
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I'd say vote for Ron Paul, it will make him stronger for the next campaign. Lets face it, if Obama is going to win he is not going to need your vote, but if Ron Paul is going to become a front runner and/or get a stronger post in the government he does need your vote. The more people vote for Ron now the more will vote later. We might not win this round, but we can do enough damage to win the next.
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Ron Paul has ended his bid for president.

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MA isn't that liberal especially in regards to the Hack House. It's old school Democrat machine but not really liberal. More parochial/provincial than anything else and all about $$. For example, liberal places don't have the earliest bar closing times in America and probably the western world..

Boston's richer suburbs have some moonbat liberals but there are plenty of working class Democrat cities who generally aren't liberal and then the rest of the state is rural, country republicans. The governor is a Democrat and does not even support medical marijuana. The governor before was a Republican with a wife that had MS that could have used the marijuana for medicine. He did not support it. These are the typical hacks we get in MA. Empty business suits.

We've basically doubled the amount of senators and reps supporting us. We still don't have the votes or enough but it is working and we have the state question on the ballot. So far only one has spoken against it and the Governor of course. Both have gotten some flack from us and the media even. The governor seems to be hearing it because his tone seems to be changing or his talking points not to be as flagrant about his not caring about sick people...
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Addendum: Sorry, I didn't realize that it was MA reps/senators supporting marijuana reform. That's impressive, but MA is a liberal state to begin with, as they were among the first to overturn a ban on gay marriage. How many reps/senators supported marijuana reform before your lobbying, and how many after? I wouldn't be surprised if you had some influence, it's just a question of how much. But I'm not trying to minimize your efforts; I commend you on them and hope you continue fighting the good fight. Again, I'm 100% behind city/state level lobbying, and with enough cities/states on our side, we can have a shot at federal reform.
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Just a note about something I read in this thread...

The discrimination and denigration of humans and their inherent rights that is the drug war is no different than the organized and purposely furtherance of racism or sexism. I will say, as my opinion, that it is no different than the injustice that is racism because of one simple point...

People are not being pushed against the wall and beaten for smoking a joint or using drugs.

(You must never have been busted for either at night in the wrong neighborhood of Rockford Illinois, my home town, and exactly that happened often enouhgh in my not that distant youth.)

But they could be, just a change in mind set, a small change in laws, a run up of the propaganda and yes, they could well be.

It is happening in the Phillipines now- our ally- extra judicial killings of anyone the police forces decided was guilty and the top cop admitted that his detectives planted evidence regularly to get drug convictions. Teh sad thing is, he admitted this and NO ONE took him to task for it.
The fact that it's not AS prevalent today as it was in the past in America is due to the efforts of people like Ded and organizations like Norml in changing exactly those perceptions.

Bush showed us how fast that can be changed if you have the power and it has only been a decade since Newt Gingrich openly advocated beheading drug dealers...

Hate is powerful man, and the situation is odious in and of itself.

it takes nothing from the fights for racial or gender equality to say that this is also a valid fight.

Cuz my rights- big ones or small ones and I'll decide which is which thank'ee- are mine and if you give them a finger, old son, they'll snatch an arm off at the shoulder.

We fight badness no matter where it crops up, and like my old lady was never just a little bit pregnant, the war on marijuana users isn't even close to a little bit okay. It stops being that as soon as a single citizen is jailed for using marijuana, forced out of a job or denied one or, like they used to love to do in Wyoming, as soon as a single child is ripped from a family because the parents chose a non state approved intoxicant.

Hope that helps.

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