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Old 08-26-2008, 11:52 AM   #1
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Default WA: Health officials want public input on medical marijuana

Health officials want public input on medical marijuana
08-25-08|KIRO Radio|By JEANNE LOCKHART

Medical marijuana activists plan to pack a state Health Department hearing to protest limits on how much pot a patient can have.

The state law currently limits patients with certain diseases to a 60-day supply of marijuana with a doctor's approval, but it does not define the supply.

"There's been no guideline at all and that's been a real tough thing for people depending upon it for relief for medical conditions, and also for law enforcement because there's been no standard," said Donn Moyer spokesman for the state Department of Health.

State officials once wanted to propose 35 ounces and 100 square feet of plant-growing area. But Gov. Chris Gregoire thought that was too high, and ordered the Health Department to meet with law enforcement.

Afterward, the proposed limits dropped to 24 ounces of usable pot, along with six mature plants and 18 immature plants. Those are the same limits used in Oregon.

After the public testimony is reviewed, there could be another change before a final proposal is presented to the state legislature.
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Old 08-26-2008, 09:38 PM   #2
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Does anyone have practical experience with how these limits work? I ask because some of them don't make any sense to me. The proposed limits in the Michigan ballot initiative are 2.5 ounces and 12 plants. If carefully grown, each of those plants could produce 2.5 ounces or more of finished bud.

You can legally grow 12 plants, you hang them up to dry, and suddenly you're in violation of the law because you've gone over the limit for "usable marijuana".
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Buzzby I'm with you, i say just let people have so many plants and what ever they can get off those plants is there limit. i mean this is trying to set limits on a apple tree saying you can only grow 20 apples per tree. I mean lets think about it, we may grow the same plant hell lets make it a clone, you get 5oz's and i may get 2oz's off the same planet. stupid government.
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Default If a patient does not have an indoor growing program

and plants outdoors the limits indicate that they will have to secure most of their medecine from licensed sources. The cost of providing for one patients during the year become outrageous. With many patients living on a poverty income provided by Social Security how do these laws serve those who use marijuanaas medecine?
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Does anyone have practical experience with how these limits work? I ask because some of them don't make any sense to me. The proposed limits in the Michigan ballot initiative are 2.5 ounces and 12 plants. If carefully grown, each of those plants could produce 2.5 ounces or more of finished bud.

You can legally grow 12 plants, you hang them up to dry, and suddenly you're in violation of the law because you've gone over the limit for "usable marijuana".
I agree I have seen this is often a problem unrealistic wieght to plant ratio's unless they figure you have it all precisly timed but thats unrealistic as well, I could see them setting a weight limit and disregarding the plant volume or set a plant limit and disregard the weight limit
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This is why experience in growing is critical. In order to stay within those limits, whcih is only the maturing plants, I read that flowering not vegging, you would have to set up a perpetual harvest operation. Taking clones from mother plants and moving them through to flowering. And yes the way I see it this does kind of limit you to indoor growing operations.
The way we are viewing the 2 1/2 oz limit is that is the amount you could have in your personal possesion. Patients and caregivers are allowed to 'give' to other patients, and recover reasonable expenses. We are working on plans to help make this happen as soon as it passes. I intend to be able to supply about 100 clones a week to help folks get started and there will not be much of any cost involved in that. This is our first experience with it, some tweaking may be necessary and there are provision in the initiative for a committee, and we have folks that will be on it, to monitor and recommend changes as the need arises.
We are assembling lists of Doctor's that are familiar with cannibus treatment and we know there will be some that will set up shop in our State because they told us they are going to. If you are a Michign resident that wants to get more involved you can contact our group MichiganMedicalMarijuana@gmail.com Tell em VV sent ya. VV
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This is why experience in growing is critical. In order to stay within those limits, whcih is only the maturing plants, I read that flowering not vegging, you would have to set up a perpetual harvest operation. Taking clones from mother plants and moving them through to flowering. And yes the way I see it this does kind of limit you to indoor growing operations.
Their is nothing in the language of the initiative indicating that "12 plants" means anything other than 12 plants at any stage of growth.

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(a) A qualifying patient who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the qualifying patient possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana, and, if the qualifying patient has not specified that a primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility. Any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots shall also be allowed under state law and shall not be included in this amount.
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I intend to be able to supply about 100 clones a week to help folks get started and there will not be much of any cost involved in that.
Be careful! Unless you are the designated caregiver for 9 or more patients that would clearly put you in violation of the law. In Michigan, cultivation of more than 20 plants is a felony carrying up to a seven year prison sentence and up to $500,000 in fines.
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