Victor_vicious

Please go back to sleep. When Buzzby has pointed out the flaws in your logic, you say but one could argue.......no one could not argue that. Think about this for just a minute, if cocoinae were legal would you go buy some and use it? VV

Jake

Prohibition can work, in some cases. But not when you have groups of people willing to create the supply, not when there is a good demand to make the supplier's efforts worthwhile, and not when there are no effective substitutes.

Look at leaded gasoline. The prohibition of that worked. Suppliers of leaded gasoline realized that the demand was not large enough to constitute supplying illegal leaded gasoline. Also, unleaded gasoline is a good substitute: Not many people are willing to risk fines and/or jail for marginally better performance.

This is not the case with cocaine or heroin.

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Vicki

Exactly. Classic example, alcohol prohibition.

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o_t00high_o

Noooo, because I've never done it and therefore am not addicted to it. I don't do coke because I don't want to, not because it illegal. And how can you tell me what I can and cannot argue?

So I'll go back to sleep when you permanently make the part of your mind that formulates responses do the same.

Victor_vicious

[quote=Jake;965924]Prohibition can work, in some cases. But not when you have groups of people willing to create the supply, not when there is a good demand to make the supplier's efforts worthwhile, and not when there are no effective substitutes.

Ok, look dude, you can not use an eraser to make a point, so lets see if I can help you, ok? What we are looking for here is just a little logic.Lets start at the BUT. And leave the 'not' out for just a second. ok?

"when you have groups of people......, when there is a...demand...suppliers efforts worthwhile
.... and no effective substitute...."
prohibition will not work.

That is the point you have made, you just have the logic backwards. Now that you have dicovered why prohibition will not work for the reasons you stated lets see how you change that. How do you remove the profit so its no longer worthwhile for suppliers to fill the demand. DO you do it by arresting the users, making the 'product' illegal. Apparently not, we have a history for that from 1914 to date. And making the 'products illegal' has not changed uses for those 'illicit drugs' according to LEAP in all of that time, it was 1.2% of the popultaion in 1914 and it was 1.2% I think that was the figure for 2006, I amsure updated numbers are available.
There are 2 exceptions to that, Marijuana and licit drugs the legal ones, like you can find in almost every medicine cabinet in the country. Marijuana has been used by 100,000,000 of us, some regularly, for years. We might be stupid stoners, we do know what logic is.
The other exception is the one you should worry about, those legal drugs actually kill people, just by overdose or reaction. Illicit copies of licit drug is billions of dollars of business and the internet can send it to you, semi-legally.
The stated purpose of the DEA is to drive the price of these 'illicit drugs' to a point were no one can afford to buy them, creating a 'worthwhile' environment, where the profit possible far outways the risk, if there is a demand.
I turned on my tv the other day and watched a guy kick another right in the face and I wondered why we would allow such an action, some one might get hurt. I found out thats a few billion dollar industry too, and all the government does is make sanctioning such action pay them in some way. As long as people will pay enough to watch two men beat each other senseless, and no one else is getting harmed, we legalize it. And they guys get a title. I watched 11 men on one side of a ball, and 11 on the other side of the ball try to mangle each other..... get the point.
We are saying that the logic is flawed. If you want to take away the huge profits of a plant let everyone that wants to grow that plant do so. Make the $35,300,000,000.00 spent on cocaine and the $10,000,000,000.00 spent on heroin, the $5,400,000,000.00 spent on meth, according to the ONDCP in thier 2008 Marijuana Sourcebook, become less than $1,000,000,000.00
ANd spend the money on educating the 1.2% of the population that is addicted to those other drugs that cause crime because of the profit instead of arresting 800,000 people a year for possesion of a plant.
Gotta go, Continue later. VV

Hash Man

As far as I know neither cocaine or heroin withdrawl can kill someone, however alcohol withdrawl certainly can and so can withdrawl from Benzo's. Also if cocaine/heroin were legal they would be much safer and havea higher purity, so someone bootin heroin would know exactly what they're putting in their body, not a marginal amount of heroin mixed with all kinds of bad stuff. Everyone seems to think the easier access the more people will use it and OD, I think the opposite would be true. Also, I've seen people do so many more stupid, dangerous and crazy things when they're drunk than someone who uses heroin/opiates or even someone high on coke. Also, if your main argument for legalizing marijuana and not other drugs is based on medical value, then it would not be freely usable by just anyone, just like Oxycontin or Vicodin or Ritalin isn't just readily available. As for the argument about if heroin was legal what would stop someone from buying enough to OD, well what stops someone drinking enough alcohol to get alcohol poisoning?

o_t00high_o

I think you need to check your facts.

I don't think I ever said anything about impurities in any of the drugs. But, would they know exactly? Do you trust the government? Also, ever seen a paranoid *insert drug*head, lets see how he reacts when you tell him the government is going to control his drugs now.

"Its legal now? Well then I no longer have the strong, borderline insane, craving to do it then."

I guess this would vary based on the idiocy of your friends.

Have I once said in this whole thing I would be against medicinal marijuana?
I think I have made it clear I am a supporter of it. Because not only do I think there is a chance that I could qualify for it, but there is a good chance that a decriminalization could soon follow the allowance of medicinal marijuana.

What stops them? Aside from their will power and maybe some good , sober friends, nothing. Which leads me back to people would od more easily if said drug was legalized. Thanks for helping to prove my point?