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Old 02-22-2004, 07:39 PM   #11
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MY representative (Dianna DeGette) voted against the bill.
I am assuming yo have seen the pic I have attached below. But just in case....er... it's attached...
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Old 02-22-2004, 09:34 PM   #12
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just playing... i got the name from a Rage Against the Machine song.
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Old 02-22-2004, 11:03 PM   #13
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But they wont come out and say this. This is why I hammer on the GOP angle all the time.

They have set out to demonize anyone who contradicts them. Look at what they have done in the last 20 years turning "liberal" into a dirty word, like "n_____".

It's just ugly.

Marijuana is such a threat to oil pricing and pharmacy profiteering - their main contirbuters - that they have to suppress it to keep profits up.
Otherwise, lots of people can grow a renemable resource.

Imagine if people had their own oil well. Same differnce. The GOP would be all about land theft and would craft laws telling people they cant touch the oil on their own property so BP and Standard can make gargantuan profits.

it's not about concern for the children at all, as evidenced by the Assistant Principal story - setting up a youth to have his life ruined, to be framed by a baggie of weed. Thats evil, my friends.

Starting viciously with Nixon, the GOP war on drugs was also a war on Hippies and "the counter culture" Nixon is on tape saying he wont let the "hippies" win. Reagan and King George the First re-escalated the war.

Clinton - the best Republican President ever, just stood and watched while 5 million lives were ruined, and he appointed Barry McCaffery - architect of the Highway of Death in Gulf War I - as Drug Czar, and that man definately was not voting for social programs.

The Cheney Administration HATES marijauan and marijuana activists.
Hell, the GOP STILL calls anti-war protestors "hippies". And you can see from John Asscough's jihad, he hates hippies, freedom, protests, freedom of speech, and so forth.
Here's an idea; don't ALWAYS "hammer the GOP." They are not ALL or always evil. A quick search on yahoo unearthed the following:
http://www.hr95.org/Prop215.html/
"The Hawaii legislature has also legalized medical marijuana. Leglislatures of more than 30 states have approved medical marijuanalaws at some point during the past 30 years. AMONG ITS FEDERAL ADVOCATES WAS THE NOTORIOUSLY CONSERVATIVE GOP CONGRESSMAN NEWT GINGRICH.
I had no idea...also:
http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/mj.htm
Click on "GOP Lawmaker Backs Pot at Rally" This is someone out on the street, literally, trying to make a difference. He deserves some credit. also...
http://www.drugsense.org/dpfwi/
Click on " NEW Republican Lawmaker Introduces Medical Marijuana Bill" This is from Wisconsin. The title tell it all.
Yes, there were other stories of GOP opposition to marijuana reform. I just think fairness should apply.
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It looks like Dr. Zombie has changed his opinion on Bill Clinton. I once asked (under my former name hehatemetoo) what the former president did in the name of mj reform. Wow, did I ever get flamed...something about me blaming all the troubles of the world on Clinton. All I wanted to know is if Clinton did anything to change previous policies...later
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Old 02-23-2004, 02:06 AM   #14
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Here's an idea; don't ALWAYS "hammer the GOP." They are not ALL or always evil. A quick search on yahoo unearthed the following:
http://www.hr95.org/Prop215.html/
"The Hawaii legislature has also legalized medical marijuana. Leglislatures of more than 30 states have approved medical marijuanalaws at some point during the past 30 years. AMONG ITS FEDERAL ADVOCATES WAS THE NOTORIOUSLY CONSERVATIVE GOP CONGRESSMAN NEWT GINGRICH.
I had no idea...also:
http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/mj.htm
Click on "GOP Lawmaker Backs Pot at Rally" This is someone out on the street, literally, trying to make a difference. He deserves some credit. also...
http://www.drugsense.org/dpfwi/
Click on " NEW Republican Lawmaker Introduces Medical Marijuana Bill" This is from Wisconsin. The title tell it all.
Yes, there were other stories of GOP opposition to marijuana reform. I just think fairness should apply.
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It looks like Dr. Zombie has changed his opinion on Bill Clinton. I once asked (under my former name hehatemetoo) what the former president did in the name of mj reform. Wow, did I ever get flamed...something about me blaming all the troubles of the world on Clinton. All I wanted to know is if Clinton did anything to change previous policies...later
1: You do blame a wide variety of amazing sh*t on Clinton and his Ombipotent Penis. One would have imagined the myth would have settleed by now.

Even if Clinton was Al Capone, he was still the best president Since JFK. It's just dismaying to support his work and have to lump him with the Party of Light and Goodness and Puppies. I cant imagine having said anythignother than what he did with weed - which was to step aside and leve prohibition on autopilot.

2: Gingrich apparently wrote some medical marijuana legislation in Georgia in the early 1980's. That all went out the window when he decided to move up in the GOP and work on taking over america. I have talked to some people who swear they have seen him pass a joint from one person to another, though not enjoying it. (Again, this would have been mid 80's)

3: The Federal GOP (and all the Mark Souder-types that dream of becoming a version of the Sheriff of Nottingham) work day and f*ckin' night to keep marijuana illegal. How people dont see that stuns me. It's breathtaking. That doesnt mean all of them agree with it, but if they are going to move up in the ranks they have to agree with reefer madness, or keep vewy vewy qwiet. They can speak out like Gary Johnson did... in his last term in office with plans to leave politics.

4: cannabis prohibition is 100% politics. There is no health or saftey issue. Thats 100% bushllit. It never should have ben made illegal. This discussion should not be happening.

5: If you have an article , Please submit it for the the page. I am expecting some activity, if you read me as religiously as you seem to, from GOP at state and local levels who are tired of what is going on. Some GOP will write such legislation after a family member or close aquaintence suffers from cancer. It happened with Erlich in Maryland, and with Lyn Nofziger. So one here and one ther is good, but that does not invalidate my argument. Erlich fought the Bush administration to pass his law. (You only get fined $100 for touching pot if you can prove it was medical - awful fair and generous....but a start)

6: From your link http://www.hr95.org/Prop215.html
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Voters in Colorado and Washington DC were both deprived of thier right to be counted. In Colorado it was a voter's registrar's adminitstrative decision to discount voter petitions, and in Washington DC it took an act of Congress by the Republican dominated House to forbid that the votes be counted.
The people in DC were "barred" from voting by Who? Of what Party?

Thanks for the link.

7: Heres a GOOGLE Search for Donal Murphy, Republican Marijauan Legalizer. Mostly old news.

Lets see about GOP who are for Pot - in however limited fashion -
*Donald Murphy - Check himout
*Gary Johnson (now out of politics, I think)
*Ron Paul MD
*Governor Erlich of Marijuanaland
*Probably many of them, but they are to intimidated, or too interested in their politial future to do anything about it.

Who's again' it?
*Marc Souder - same @$$hole that wants reagen's face on the dime
*Thats Istook character highlighted in this article
*Dennis Hastert
*Trent Lott
*George Bush II (I am certain DICK Cheney wants it legalized though...he's such a good man)
*John Walters
*Bill Bennett
*Gary Bauer
*Tom Delay
*Ronald Reagan
*George Bush I
*Richard Nixon (deceaseded)
*Newt Gingrich - he has co-cponsored medial marijuana bills as recently as 1995 -but.supported the death penalty for traffickers.
*Orrin Hatch
*everybody who ever worked for the DEA

Im sure I have gravely mistaken Reagan's efforts to legalize marijuana.Bill Clinton and Saddam Hussein probably went back in time, changed history, and made him look bad.

Tha's enough for today...time to smoke marijuana, since prohibition really only thwarts medical and Industrial use......
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Old 02-23-2004, 10:15 AM   #15
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Why can't we gather the REAL reasons why marijuana was banned in the first place, get a online petition, and make a good campaign? There is enough information out there, that if somone put it together in the right manner, and, say, emailed, snail-mail, flyer, posters whatevered it to the public, I think they couldn't help but to understand at least a little what we are on about. Think about it, you are some middle aged lady, who's kids are long gone, and just plays bingo on weekends, you get a letter in the mail, or a flyer in your mailbox/doorstep. It is a very informative, intriguing compilation of TRUE information about marijuana, it's uses and it's origins. You read it, and figure that there must be some truth to this, so you kindof put it off in your head, not really worrying about it, and when the next election comes along, you will remember that, and hopefully vote for somone who supports reform of the laws. It's all about spreading the word, and voting.

I wonder what it would be like, if we could get the same amount of money the government spends for anti-marijuana campaigns, and flew every stoner to washington, or bussed them in, or whatever, and all marched on the white house. Like, A million or more people just standing in front of the whitehouse, peacfully, just standing...in silence....looking... All holding sign's that say "Why?" and on the back "The government is lying to you". Or organize a day, where everyone marches on their city hall or town center or whatever they have, just all over the nation, hundreds of people show up to protest the war being waged on the innocent. There is so much stuff to be done, we just need a spark of motivation...

If one state, just one state could legalize/decriminalize, I think that would be the crack in the dam, that would spark the rest of the nation into a frenzy of protests and campaigns...so all we need is one state...
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Old 02-24-2004, 01:06 AM   #16
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MPP is running another legalization campaign in Nevada. Get hooked up and donate to the cause. That could be the first state to legalize it. If not Nevada, I believe California will do it just to spite the feds. Throw in a couple of bucks to help the ACLU, MPP, Drug policy alliance and Change the Climate with their lawsuit for freedom of speech against DC metro. These are real opportunities for all of us to help get the ball rolling and put some wins under our belts.

Just five bucks can help make a difference. If you live in Nevada, maybe you can help gather names to get the initiative on the ballot. Make sure all of your friends are registered to vote and take them with you to vote on election day. Have an election day smoke-out, after you vote, don't want you to forget to vote. Nobody smokes unless they vote.

Go to mpp.org and find out what's up.
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My Senior Project humbly attempts to be just the sort of collection of information that you're calling for. One of the sections is a pamphlet with the express purpose of getting it distributed, I've been in contact with Logos on this one and maybe he'll post it on the site, and hopefully as many people as possible will print it out and get it around, this anti-marijuana **** has just GOT to change. I got pulled over for a minor speeding violation today and the cop asked "Are there any narcotics in the car?" It was a test of my patience not to yell at him "No you idiot! And by the way, the term "narcotics" refers only to psychoactive substances derived from the opium poppy, not just drugs in general you pompous bastard! But please, be my guest, go right ahead using big, official-sounding words incorrectly, it's SOOO intimidating!" Needless to say, I restrained myself, but that rage is getting channelled into this project. I hope to God I make a difference before it's too late for anybody to.

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At least they admit it's really a war against a culture they don't agree with. It's not the Marijuana, they know it's harmless.

The article was a well thought out point of view, however that is just what it is. Marijuana is very harmful to the users. By just taking the drug it is not deadly, but it is proven to impair your judgement, slow your reaction, and kill your brain cells,exc. Some adults will gladly accept the drug, but when asked (20 parents asked total) 16\20 parents using marijuana would not recommend it to their children. If marijuana is harmless why wouldn't users recommend it to people they love?
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That's a fairly large assumption you make their swimfan. Not everyone is the same. What one person finds beneficial, another may deem non-bendificial. Both are correct. Judge for yourself instead of taking other peoples perspectives as the truth. Children, blossoming minds, maturing personalities, should be prohibited from consuming cannabis. Adults who take responcibility for the personal life experiences should have the freedom of choice. What if your a sucsessful, contributing member of your community? What if your alone, without children, and prefer a different kind of lifestyle?

If you are a fully cognizant human, cannabis does not impair judgement, it may influence it by altering your state of being, but impairment is something else.

Cannabis does not slow reaction time. If so, there would be no such animal as snowboarding. The syncronicity of mind, body, and spirit are percieved by many to be enhanced after consuming it. Altering one's consciousness should be a crime. If this were not true, why is it banned from the 'official' sport as an performance enhancing herb (drug), or do you think it's their job to practice law enforcement? The flip side of that concept is currently being considered by the federal legislators. They purport it to be impairing when the metabolites remain in your system, long after it's psycho-active effects have worn off.

Sounds more like a modern day witch hunt.

Killing brain cells is a misnomer. I don't think there is a credible source out there that would stand by that sort of thing.

A sampling of twenty parents does not constitute statistical inference, it constitutes twenty parent's opinions.

Lastly, something that is rarely addressed about consumption. Long term habitual use of cannabis has a different kind of effect than a casual or new user would percieve. People who are treated for long-term chronic pain with narcotics don't percieve a 'high' after long term use, but it can manage pain effectively.



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The article was a well thought out point of view, however that is just what it is. Marijuana is very harmful to the users. By just taking the drug it is not deadly, but it is proven to impair your judgement, slow your reaction, and kill your brain cells,exc. Some adults will gladly accept the drug, but when asked (20 parents asked total) 16\20 parents using marijuana would not recommend it to their children. If marijuana is harmless why wouldn't users recommend it to people they love?
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