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Old 04-15-2004, 11:54 AM   #1
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Default Canadian Hydroponic Marijuana 'extremely dangerous' - John Walters

U.S. blames Canada for marijuana emergencies
CNN | 4.14.2004 | Submitted by snare133 and Suetaz

MIAMI, Florida (Reuters) -- Canadian production of high-potency marijuana is partly to blame for a doubling of pot-related emergency room cases in the United States, the head of U.S. drug policy said Wednesday.

Reiterating U.S. criticism of a more relaxed Canadian attitude to marijuana, White House drug czar John Walters urged Ottawa to recognize the problem of hydroponically grown pot, which is grown in nutrient-rich solutions rather than soil.

It is often grown inside under lights, and Walters said it sold for as much as cocaine.

"Canada is exporting to us the crack of marijuana and it is a dangerous problem,"
Walters told reporters in Miami, where he kicked off a campaign to cut marijuana use by Hispanic youths.

"We need to have political leadership in Canada that recognizes the problem," he said. "Addiction is going to spread in Canada dramatically. It has in many places."

A longtime critic of Canadian plans to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana, Walters said that while the pot the hippie generation knew contained on average 1 percent of psychoactive Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, Canada's high-potency marijuana contained 20 to 30 percent THC.

"It is extremely dangerous. It is one of the reasons why we believe ... we have seen a doubling of emergency room cases involving marijuana in the last several years from 60,000 to 120,000," Walters said.

Disagreements over drug policy, combined with differences over the Iraq war, are among several issues that have chilled relations between Canada and its powerful southern neighbor.

While maintaining that improving ties with Washington was a priority, new Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin said in December he intended to press ahead with plans to end jail terms for people caught with small amounts of marijuana.

And Ottawa has said that Washington's own data shows that of all the illegal pot seized by U.S. agents only 1.5 percent came from Canada.

The head of the White House Office of National Drug Policy said that Canadian producers had a multibillion dollar marijuana growing business and that 80 to 90 percent of revenues came from the United States.

He said Toronto authorities told him there were up to 15,000 indoor growers in that metropolitan area alone.
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Old 04-15-2004, 12:10 PM   #2
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Oh, wow. Walters is such a tool, I can't even list all the words I want to describe this man as.

As much as cocaine?! He must have forgotten to convert the price to US I mean, $8000 a pound sure does sound like crack prices until you convert it to $2000 a pound... (hopefully the sarcasm here is noted)

And 20-30% THC, man get me some of that 30% stuff, they sure did put a high number on that. I bet anyone rarely sees 30% anyways. Besides, the more potent it is, the less you have to smoke

This article relates nicely to the Propaganda In Spanish article that was also posted today since Walters mentions his plan to curb Hispanic use of cannabis (wow, like that's a first, 1937 anyone...). What's he going to tell us next, that this mary-ju-wana makes black people rape white women and stand on white men's shadows?

The "crack of marijuana" was my favorite part. Wow. Unf'ckingbelievable!
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Old 04-15-2004, 12:58 PM   #3
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Default Walters' comments are going to backfire

I predict Walters' comments are only going to provoke a negative reaction from the Canadian authorities and embolden them in their efforts to decriminalize recreational and medicinal use. He is only going to fan the media flames in Canada -- can't wait to read all the editorial and official rebuttals.

What exactly does he intend to accomplish by blaming and singling out Canada? After all, what government responds positively to such public reprimands? The credibility of his employer the Bush administration is already crumbling, and these statements are only going to deepen that impression.

I predict the backlash will be swift and uncompromising.
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Old 04-15-2004, 01:00 PM   #4
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I could describe walters for you!!! **** *****, **** Son of a *****!


Maybe not.


Just to make us feel better.: CNN just announced that Japan has issues with it's citizens smuggling in Crispy Creme doughnuts from Hawaii, but at least they are willing allow local distribution to solve the issue.
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Old 04-15-2004, 01:10 PM   #5
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CNN just announced that Japan has issues with it's citizens smuggling in Crispy Creme doughnuts from Hawaii, but at least they are willing allow local distribution to solve the issue.
The CRACK of donuts! A turf war is building!

Seriously.... note how Walters - or other drug war liars - can utter 4 sentences filled with utter lies and nonsense and everybody else has to write entire articles to debunk this bushllit.

As long as you aren't having sex, everything's ok, I guess.....

Also...If I was Canada, I would file a complaint of harrassment and slander.
This really is outrageous.
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Old 04-15-2004, 01:33 PM   #6
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Default A Show for the Folks Down South

Ladies and Gentlemen, let me open by saying that this is STRICTLY for the audiences in the United States. If Walters tried to give this piece in Canada, he would be laughed off the podium. His assertions are either baseless, widely exaggerated or total lies. Notice that this story is from Miami. You can't get much farther away from Canada without leaving the United States.

That being said, let the flames commence!

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Canadian production of high-potency marijuana is partly to blame for a doubling of pot-related emergency room cases in the United States.
The classic "it's not our fault it's the damn foriegners" tactic. Never mind that it would hardly make a dent in the supply if the cross border traffic stopped tomorrow. This is a nice way to shift the blame away from yourself. It seems that Johnny Boy could take some responsibility for the utter failure of the organization that he runs, but instead he points a chubby finger and wails. With all the coherence of a spoiled child his nonsensical diatribe continues...

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Walters said it sold for as much as cocaine.
This is so silly for so many reasons. First, this would never happen, simply because any drug dealer who is stupid enough the charge the same for marijuana that he does for coke wouldn't stay in business long enough to even try it. Second, so what even if it was true? Does pointing out that two things cost the same mean that they ARE the same thing? I guess it does, since that's what Walters is really trying to establish.

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"Canada is exporting to us the crack of marijuana and it is a dangerous problem," Walters told reporters in Miami, where he kicked off a campaign to cut marijuana use by Hispanic youths.
Hispanic youth? Crack? A minute ago he said it was cocaine. Ooooh....these are both baaaad drugs that "brown skinned people" do (see a transcript of Shrubby's recent press conference for more on that). Walters is playing a nice little game of "word association" with us. Walters wants to maintain or create the illusion that marijuana belongs in the same category as coke and crack.

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"It is extremely dangerous. It is one of the reasons why we believe ... we have seen a doubling of emergency room cases involving marijuana in the last several years from 60,000 to 120,000," Walters said.
Sure, sure. Gee, think he pulled those number our of his *ss? And notice the convaluted language - emergency room cases involving marijuana. This could include the guy that hurt his back trying to camoflage his crop or the dealer that got beaten up for being on the wrong turf (please note that niether problem would exist if not for prohibition).

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The head of the White House Office of National Drug Policy said that Canadian producers had a multibillion dollar marijuana growing business and that 80 to 90 percent of revenues came from the United States.
Again, so? No-one is disputing this. That's what makes this so silly. Walters openly admits that the world's number one market for drugs is the US. Canadians export it because Americans want to [i]BUY IT. This is the twisted word trick again...Walters wants that "80 to 90%" to stick in our heads, as if 80 or 90% of the pot in the US comes from Canada. It wouldn't matter anyway. Shortage of demand doesn't effect supply. Those that wanted it would just get it elsewhere, and Walters would have to erase the word "Canada" from all of his speeches, get out the atlas and find another name to put in.

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He said Toronto authorities told him there were up to 15,000 indoor growers in that metropolitan area alone.
God bless those brave entreprenuers! Geez, he says it like it's a bad thing.

The funniest thing about this article is the political bit. This is a pretty brazen "divide and conquer" tactic. Perhaps Walters will give a speech next week in Montreal or Vancouver (of he could find a sympathic audience) in which he will blame the Mexican gov't of "not recognizing the problem."

Walters way of "recognizing the problem" means more enforcement, jail time and forced treatment. This is what the VPD have been doing since they formed the "Grow Busters" squad in July of 2000, and the result has been increased growing, trafficking and use despite the fact that Grow Busters sought out and shut down over 700 indoor grow-ops by 2002. Check out the following 2002 article in a local Vancouver newspaper for more info on that. Take note of what Marc Emery says; he's one of the reasons that Walters pisses his pants at the mere thought of going to Vancouver.

http://www.vancourier.com/073102/news/073102nn1.html

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Old 04-15-2004, 02:48 PM   #7
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Talking John Walters...

I have never in my life seen anybody lie as frequently, or as badly as you.

Oh wait...

Condoleeza Rice.
John Ashcroft.
Asa Hutchingson.
Dick Cheney.
Donald Rumsfeld.
George W. Bush.

Well, you are on the vanguard of liars. I dunno if that is something to be proud of.


Mr. Walters was in Vancouver once. The fine staff of Pot-tv.com got a table nice and close to the stage... and called him out numerous times. He'd say something stupid, and they shout "LIAR! LIES! LIES!"

Poor Mr. Walters was soooooo flummoxed. For a bit, he tried ignoring the plucky crew of bold adventurers. He clearly wasn't used to people exposing his backside and givin' him a spankin'. The best he could do was whinny a weck little ad hominem attack, and scurry off the stage.

And he's never been back.
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Old 04-15-2004, 03:35 PM   #8
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Reiterating U.S. criticism of a more relaxed Canadian attitude to marijuana, White House drug czar John Walters urged Ottawa to recognize the problem of hydroponically grown pot, which is grown in nutrient-rich solutions rather than soil.

It is often grown inside under lights, and Walters said it sold for as much as cocaine.
I think you all fail to give Mr. Walters credit for being the first man to discover that this sort of growing can only be done in canada, and we used to thik you could do it anywere... silly us!

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And Ottawa has said that Washington's own data shows that of all the illegal pot seized by U.S. agents only 1.5 percent came from Canada.
For you boys and girls up north, you got your work cut out for you there is still 98.5% of the market to concur

Now 20-30% ???
SOLD i'll take it, coke prices be damed!


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Old 04-15-2004, 03:46 PM   #9
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"Addiction is going to spread in Canada dramatically. It has in many places."

Since when can you get addicted to marijuana? I hope when Hillary gets into office some day she'll stop this stupid war on marijuana. It's really just a war that old white men wage on the youth. Too much proporganda these days.
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