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Niteshift

One thing i want to add is since when have we heard of a large cocaine or ecstasy bust? We hear about cocaine being traded for pot in Canada and how coke is supposedly being smuggled across the boarders, just funny how they make big pot busts here and there but you never hear about coke busts but yet they will throw information like this into a article! If there is coke and ecstasy being smuggled in and all we have been finding is pot, i'm startin to wonder if theres a few people gettin paid off to let it go by!

They are just after pot and they don't want to say it so they will say oh well we are tryin to stop other drugs.

Really? Well this is on the DEA homepage:

MAR 31 - More than 130 people were arrested today in a two-nation crackdown on a huge drug trafficking ring that manufactured large quantities of Ecstasy and marijuana in Canada and then shipped them to cities around the United States.
Operation Candy Box Statistics*
(Total Throughout the Two-Year Investigation)
Seizures (in the U.S.): U.S. Currency: $8.7 Million
Weapons: 46
Vehicles: 35
Ecstasy Tablets: 407,000
Marijuana: 1,370 lbs
*As of 4/2/04
http://www.dea.gov/major/candybox/index.html

Others recent ones:

APR 15 (2003)--Today, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) announced the arrests of over 65 individuals in ten cities throughout the United States and Canada. The arrests are the result of an 18-month international investigation targeting the illegal importation of pseudoephedrine, an essential chemical used in methamphetamine production.
http://www.dea.gov/major/northern_star/index.html

Today, the Drug Enforcement Administration, together with the U.S. Customs Service, Internal Revenue Service and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, announced the arrests of more than 100 individuals in twelve cities in connection with a nationwide investigation targeting the illegal trafficking of pseudoephedrine. Pseudoephedrine is an essential precursor chemical used to manufacture the illegal drug, methamphetamine.
http://www.dea.gov/major/me3.html

Based on the surveillance, arrests of couriers and seizures of MDMA tablets were made in Australia, Spain, Canada, and Los Angeles. By the end of July, authorities decided to conduct sweeps of members of the organization.
http://www.dea.gov/major/rave.html

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Higher Logic

But that's the DEA. How many times do you hear about people on here having the DEA pull them over, or the DEA knocking on their door? You keep bringing up these DEA stats, but what are the combine stats of nationwide local/state police agencies? And for the record, a bust of only 1,300 pounds of cannabis is nothing, I hear about local busts for that all the time. Just yesterday was a 4,000 pound bust of cannabis in Arizona...

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Niteshift

Oh, I forgot this quote in one of the stories:

"A second outcome of the operation was the disruption of a sizable money laundering business and the discovery of significant weaknesses in the U.S. financial system that make money laundering possible. The Drug Enforcement Administration, under its Administrator, Karen Tandy, has made financial investigations a priority of the agency. "

http://www.dea.gov/major/candybox/index.html



And ran across this one too: DEA Acting Administrator William B. Simpkins today applauded Chinese and Hong Kong law enforcement authorities for their unprecedented role in dismantling a massive heroin smuggling organization that targeted the U.S. and Canada. Today's arrests numbered 20.

http://www.dea.gov/pubs/states/newsrel/nyc051603.html

Niteshift

But that's the DEA. How many times do you hear about people on here having the DEA pull them over, or the DEA knocking on their door? You keep bringing up these DEA stats

You asked for: when have we heard of a large cocaine or ecstasy bust?

I just showed you.

We hear about cocaine being traded for pot in Canada and how coke is supposedly being smuggled across the boarders, just funny how they make big pot busts here and there but you never hear about coke busts but yet they will throw information like this into a article! If there is coke and ecstasy being smuggled in and all we have been finding is pot, i'm startin to wonder if theres a few people gettin paid off to let it go by!

And I showed you big busts, from CANADA, which is exactly what you asked for.

And for the record, a bust of only 1,300 pounds of cannabis is nothing, I hear about local busts for that all the time.

No kidding. Pot wasn't the focus, Ecstacy was......the pot was just found in the course of the investigation really.


I mean come on..........you ask about "where are the ecstacy bust from Canada?". Then I show you the ones you say you never hear about.......and then you complain that it was the DEA and not local cops.

Guess what? The DEA gets more work on international smuggling (which is what bringing drugs into the US from Canada is.).

And you obviously didn't read closely. The DEA wasn't the ONLY agency involved. I simply got the releases from the DEA site. The RCMP, Customs, Postal Inspectors, FBI, INS, IRS, Delaware State Police, and several other foreing police agencies were specifically listed as being involved.

I showed you EXACTLY what you asked for........arrests involving the specifc drugs, from the specific place (Canada). Sorry if you don't like who made the arrests.

Niteshift

Since you don't allow for arrests made by the DEA.........here is one the DEA had nothing to do with:

New York, N.Y. - U.S. Customs inspectors and National Guardsmen working at the Alexandria Bay, New York Port of Entry seized 1,275 pounds of hydroponic marijuana and 4,565 tablets of MDMA (Ecstasy), hidden in a tractor-trailer entering the United States from Canada. Three people, all French-Canadians, were arrested.

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/...03072002_3.xml


Or this one caught by Customs:

Buffalo, New York - U.S. Customs Service and DEA officials announced the arrest on Sunday, April 21, 2002 of Kate Cho, 27, of 7801 Somerset Court, Greenbelt, Maryland, after finding more than 33,000 pills hidden in the back panels of her rental van.

During a routine vehicle secondary inspection at the Lewiston Bridge Federal Inspection Station, U.S. Customs Inspectors, assigned to the Port of Buffalo, discovered 33,553 pills which tested positive for ecstasy (chemically known as MDMA), and other narcotic substances, as well as 13.5 pounds of hashish and a small quantity of hydroponic marijuana.

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/...04232002_3.xml



For FY2002, Customs alone seized 7.5 million tablets of MDMA, 4,131 pounds of heroin, 167,834 pounds of cocaine, 3,119 pounds of meth.
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/a...plishments.xml



So I'm not sure why you never hear about these. Maybe you're just not looking in the right places.

 

Higher Logic

Since I've decided to look up some stats, here is one I found interesting:

Federalwide Cocaine, Heroin, Methamphetamine, and Cannabis Seizures, 1989-2000

Year, Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, Cannabis, Hash
1989, 115k, 1311, --, 393k, 23k
1990, 96k, 687 --, 233k, 8k
1991, 128k, 1448 --, 225k, 79k
1992, 120k, 1251 --, 345k, 111
1993, 121k, 1502 7, 410k, 11k
1994, 129k, 1285 178, 475k, 561
1995, 111k, 1543 369, 628k, 15k
1996, 128k, 1362 136, 639k, 38k
1997, 101k, 1624 1099, 699k, 756
1998, 118k, 1475 2559, 825k, 240
1999, 132k, 1094 2641, 1.2M, 761
2000, 56k, 581, 1756, 646k, --

And now for the totals (with cannabis and hash combined since they are the same thing) for all of 1988-2000:

Cocaine - 1,355,000 kilograms (3M pounds) - 18%
Heroin - 15,000 kilograms (33k pounds) - 0.2%
Meth - 9,000 kilograms (20k pounds) - 0.1%
Cannabis - 6,135,000 kilograms (13M pounds) - 82%

Now, if we look at the total number of convictions that the DEA had from 1992-2000, here is what we get:

Year, Heroin, Cocaine, Cannabis, Other
1992, 1412, 9417, 3852, 2627
1992, 2059, 9580, 4014, 2604
1992, 1358, 7671, 3645, 2140
1992, 1363, 7178, 3340, 2221
1992, 1612, 7442, 3844, 2727
1992, 1596, 7206, 3939, 3024
1992, 1705, 8365, 4449, 4177
1992, 1967, 8957, 4487, 5217
2000, 1977, 9000, 4110, 5491

Now let's total those up...

Heroin - 15,079 - 9.6%
Cocaine - 74,810 - 48%
Cannabis - 35,680 - 23%
Other - 30,228 - 19.4%

If we look only at the DEA, then yes, cannabis is not their highest concern, cocaine is. However, we all know the DEA just loves its coca; can't start the day without it.

I'm still trying to find a chart from statewide law enforcement...

Higher Logic

Maybe you should read closely, I never asked for any of those things...

Jose Melendez

"crooks with guns and badges" " . . . talking about?"

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v04/n253/a07.html?54242

http://www.copvcia.com/

"What other "profits" are there?"

Need I mention Wackenhut?

http://www.aci.net/kalliste/drugwar.htm

http://mediafilter.org/caq/Prison.html

http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/30644

http://www.ice.gov/graphics/enforce/comm/comm_asset.htm

http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=107653,00.html

from google's html version of:

http://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads...e_Briefing.pdf

The legal principle underlying civil asset forfeiture—that property can be guilty of wrong-doing and seized as punishment—has its ancient origins in the Bible and the “deodand.� Under English common law, a deodand (Latin for “given to God�) was a thing that was forfeited to the Crown for the good of the community.
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If a person fell off a horse and was killed, then the horse or its value would be forfeited as a deodand to the Crown. The law of deodands was extended to English admiralty and customs laws to seize vessels and cargo—a power so abused by the English Crown that it helped spark the American Revolution. Because of these abuses, the founding fathers included the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment
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in the Constitution to ensure that property not be taken from citizens without a judicial hearing. Unfortunately, this practice continues today. http://www.fsu.edu/~crimdo/forfeiture.html

http://www.libertocracy.com/Webessay...e_violates.htm

"Why is Weiner a former employee? Was he fired? Did he leave on his own? On good terms?"

http://www.weinerpublic.com/bweiner.html

President, Robert Weiner Associates: Public Affairs and Issue Strategies. With 30 years of top level government and political experience, created and heads Washington, DC based company. Develops electronic and print ads for political and private sector clients and generates news coverage. Consults with media on drug policy, aging issues, government operations, and other issues in which he and his associates have expertise.

Has assembled experienced team of experts in media execution and issue development and analysis. Company recreated following seven-year success in 1980-87; had channeled skills into senior level appointed government service since then. Chief of Press Relations/Director of Public Affairs, White House Office of National Drug Policy, May 1995-August 2001. Liaison with media and spokesperson for Clinton Administration and Office for top national profile issue. Develop over 20,000 press opportunities and interviews for White House "Drug Czar," the National Drug Policy Director (Barry McCaffrey 1996-2001, Lee Brown 1995-96, and Bush Transition 2001), the President's Cabinet Member coordinating $19 billion anti-drug strategy involving fifty agencies, with television, radio, and print media.

Arrange 3000 print and 1000 television stories and interviews annually, highest per-staff rate in the Cabinet. Strategize and generate coverage, stories, and appearances on evening and morning TV network news, "Meet the Press," "Face the Nation," "This Week," Dan Rather live interviews, Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings "Close-up" profiles, "Nightline," "Today," "Good Morning America," Lehrer Newshour, "Montel," news and feature stories in AP and Reuters wires and all papers including New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, Los Angeles Times, national magazines including Time, Newsweek, U.S. News, and Parade (cover story), and radio.

Organize national and regional, as well as international, news conferences. Constant telephone liaison. Draft releases, advisories, statements, and media talking points for Director and the President. Also speak on the record with media as needed to define and amplify positions and activities. Conceived and produced nationwide campaign of over 30 television and radio PSA's by National Drug Policy Director with celebrities including Michael Johnson, Montel Williams, Dan Marino, Jerry Rice, Dominique Dawes, Lynda Carter, Juwan Howard, John Thompson, ABC "Murder One" stars, top network TV daytime actors from "Young and the Restless" and "General Hospital," and child stars from "Sesame Street" and Nickelodeon. Award-winning ads shown regularly including prime time on all major networks.

Director's Award for Distinguished Service, 2001, and Outstanding Performance Award, 2000, 1999, and 1998, White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.
Communicator of the Year Award, Washington Crime News Service, 1988, 1989, 1990.
Exhibit at Smithsonian Museum of American History, 1973-present, "The Youth Vote."
White House Athletic Center, Executive Board Member, 1995 - present.
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PERSONAL
M.A., American History, 1974, University. of Massachusetts.
B.A., Oberlin College, 1969
Blair Academy, 1965
Married to Patricia E. Berg, Ph.D.

from: http://www.phs.bgsm.edu/sshp/rwj/Gra...ts/01Sept.html

Former ONDCP Spokesman Wants Tough Questioning of Walters

Bob Weiner, who up until last month served as the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy's (ONDCP) director of public affairs, has called on the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee to investigate statements made by drug-czar nominee John Walters about addiction and the anti-drug media campaign, according to a Sept. 10 press release.

Weiner, who also served as press spokesman for drug czars Barry McCaffrey and Lee Brown, is raising questions about Walters' statements on the stigma of addiction, the anti-drug media campaign, racial disparities, giving the military control of interdiction at the borders, prior White House staff drug use, and dismantling the ONDCP's management of programs.

Weiner cited several controversial statements made by Walters. On addiction as a disease, Walters had stated, "I'm for stigma" (1996). On the media anti-drug ad campaign, Walters had stated in 1997 that, "This is a lazy person's way of trying to appear they're doing something."

Regarding the 100:1 crack-versus-powder-cocaine penalty disparity, Walters said in 1997 that, "The political correctness here is we're arresting too many black people. General McCaffrey is worried that we're doing too much punishment. I say he doesn't get it. Neither is it true that the prison population is disproportionately made up of young black men."

With respect to ONDCP-run programs, Walters said in 1997 that, "Those grant-making authorities ought to be turned back over -- even the ones that currently exist -- to the most appropriate agency."

Weiner called on the Senate Judiciary Committee, which will decide on Walters' appointment, to determine "whether Walters can explain his statements without a simplistic defense of 'they were out of context' when the truth is he was trying to establish a context with these very statements.

from: http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRe...d=103-04262004

"What Al did is courageous, the ideal of what a government employee should do when he sees wrongdoing involving $1.15 million potential contract bribery and $400,000 possible blackmail. The Administration first tried to demote him, and then Al resigned with a record of distinguished federal service rather than succumb to the office's vindictiveness over his exposure of likely illegality."

see also: http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread18758.shtml#6

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I'll personally call your bluff and raise the stakes:

War on (some) drugs is instead waged on citizens, corrupting lawmakers and enforcers who ignore and often promote far more harmful consumables.

Professional and habitual drug-war chicken hawks alike should note: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." If the 9/11 attacks cost a few hundred thousand dollars, $43 million Washington approved as "aid" to the Afghans to prohibit poppies in May 2001 almost certainly comforted the Taliban. Their opium stockpiles soon flooded America as cheap heroin, a pattern that continues to this day.

We feed animals to animals, yet viable Cannabis (marijuana hemp) seeds are prohibited. We complain about price-fixing of foods, supplements and medications, but prohibit edible hemp, containing the highest palatable ratios of essential fatty acids and proteins. Smoked ganja, long demonstrated as safe and efficacious for ritual, intoxicant or medicinal use is described by federal mantra as a cruel hoax on the sick and dying.

Note that to date, the Office of National Drug Control Policy, the Drug Enforcement Administration, Health and Human Services and even D.A.R.E. all remain silent at pending Food and Drug Administration regulation of the same cigarettes that kill millions every year across the globe - as medical devices!

John Kerry's Iran-Contra Congressional investigations concluded that leaders of the day "were not blind to the idea" that drug money could fund extra-judicial military operations. The resulting crack cocaine epidemic continues, enabled by rules made possible by conflicts of interest, perjury and omission of material facts. Such laws mandate penalties that, per capita, are consistently and systematically enforced in inverse proportions to the offender's skin color and income.

By all indications, meth lab proliferation is next, inspired by incessant advertising that household chemicals can get you high and make you rich.

-me

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That's very nice. An OPINION piece written by a member of LEAP. And what makes his opinion any more valid than anyone elses?

from: http://www.leap.cc/speakers/cameron.htm

Jerry Cameron spent a considerable part of his seventeen-year law enforcement career in the "war on drugs." Not only was he Chief of two small town departments for a total of eleven years, he is also a graduate of the 150th Session of the FBI National Academy, the DEA Basic Drug Enforcement Course, and two DEA Advanced Drug Enforcement Professional Institutes. Cameron participated as a front line warrior in street enforcement and consequently was recognized nationally for developing a street-enforcement-technique known as "Operation Pressure Point." He has been published in The Police Chief, The Florida Police Chief, and Law & Order magazines. He was a full time faculty member of the Institute of Police Technology and Management at the University of North Florida where he taught drug interdiction, roadside interrogation techniques, police ethics, and management.

Toward the end of his career Cameron began to question the efficacy as well as the morality of the "war on drugs." When he began doing serious research on this subject, he concluded that the "war on drugs" was a not only a total failure but that it had caused tremendous damage to society. The simple truth was that not one benefit could be identified and a myriad of unintended destructive consequences were evident. In fact, the war proved counterproductive to every one of its stated goals.

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see also: http://www.familywatch.org/library/dred.011.html

and, from: http://www.geocities.com/socialspit/moremadness.htm

Drug Czar's Public Affairs Director Thrown Off Microphone At Campus Politically Correct Appearance

http://www.drcnet.org/wol/159.html#bobweiner

As the Office of National Drug Control Policy Director ("Drug
Czar") Barry McCaffrey prepares to leave office, one of his key
staffers may be losing not only his job, but his mind. Bob
Weiner, sometime ONDCP press secretary and currently Director of
Public Affairs, made quite a scene at a George Washington
University appearance of the popular TV show Politically
Incorrect last week. The event included host Bill Maher and
other celebrity guests, but was held only for the campus audience
at the DC school, not for broadcast television.

Brian Gralnick, co-National Director of Students for Sensible
Drug Policy (http://www.ssdp.org), was chosen as the student
participant in Maher's panel. Just prior to the show, Gralnick
noticed a student backstage holding a card reading "Executive
Office of the President," which he recognized from an encounter
with Weiner at a previous event. The student was surprised when
Gralnick asked her if it was Bob Weiner's business card.

Knowing Weiner was in the audience, Gralnick decided to call him
out. On stage, Gralnick explained to the audience that "The
Director of Public Affairs of the Office of National Drug Control
Policy, who is in this audience, accused me of being high on
illegal drugs when we were on this same stage a month ago, and
it's a shame people resort to personal attacks when discussing
drug policy."



Back

Gralnick told DRCNet, "He then started yelling from the crowd,
from his seat, 'that's not true, that's not true.'" Host Bill
Maher told Weiner that if he wanted to ask a question, he should
go to the microphone.

Weiner ran to the microphone and said, "That's not what I said,"
at which point Gralnick broke in with: "I'll clarify: You said,
'Your eyes look kind of hazy. You're probably on drugs right
now.'"

Weiner responded, "You can't take a joke?", and proceeded not to
ask a question, as Maher had invited him, but to rattle off
statistics along the lines of why the war on drugs isn't being
lost as Students for Sensible Drug Policy claims. A staffer from
the production company managing the Politically Incorrect campus
tour, and a student helping with the event, took the microphone
from him.

Many reformers have had encounters with Bob Weiner. DRCNet
Executive Director David Borden recounts, "I've had two phone
conversations with him. He hung up on me both times. I'm not a
rude person, but he kept avoiding the questions and I kept asking
them."

According to Dave Fratello of Americans for Medical Rights,
"Based on feedback I've gotten from reporters, Weiner's
reputation with the media is of being very ill-tempered and
impatient."

"I remember one radio debate," said Fratello, "where the subject
was medical marijuana, and Weiner insisted on a format where I
would speak for half of the time, after which he would speak for
half the time. He was unwilling to debate me directly."

"Unknown to Weiner, however, the host kept me on the line through
his presentation, and at a certain point I broke in to correct
one of his points," Fratello continued. "Weiner started
screaming at me, saying I'd had my time. Then he started
attacking the station and the host -- all live on the air."

Chuck Thomas of the Marijuana Policy Project told DRCNet, "There
were a few reporters I spoke with who were about to call
McCaffrey's office, and wanted to know if there were a few
questions that would be good to ask. I suggested they ask ONDCP,
should patients be arrested for medical marijuana? Then, if they
try to circumvent the question, to ask it again."

"On at least two of those occasions," Thomas continued, "the
reporters -- both of them from well known publications -- told me
later that they spoke with Bob Weiner and that he became
argumentative and started screaming at them and accusing them of
being on drugs."

"Now I make a point of specifically telling reporters to ask for
Bob Weiner by name," concluded Thomas.

see also: http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/159/bobweiner.shtml

Even George Wallace eventually renounced his stand against equal opportunities.

If Weiner eventually realized drug war is fraud and was fired for it, all the more reason to use existing law to expose drug prohibitions as illegal.

For example, it is a violation of Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution to wage war on Americans, or provide aid and comfort to the enemy. The antitrust Sherman and Clayton Acts, based on hundreds of years of common restraint of trade laws, prohibit price fixing and collusions that may result in increased pricing on inferior products, made more popular by the exclusion of what are demonstrably far less harmful foods, supplements, medications and intoxicants.

see also: http://pipepeace.com/terror/potusHint.html

and, from: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/guid...primer-ncu.htm

American consumers have the right to expect the benefits of free and open competition — the best goods and services at the lowest prices. Public and private organizations often rely on a competitive bidding process to achieve that end. The competitive process only works, however, when competitors set prices honestly and independently. When competitors collude, prices are inflated and the customer is cheated. Price fixing, bid rigging, and other forms of collusion are illegal and are subject to criminal prosecution by the Antitrust Division of the United States Department of Justice.

We have much more evidence that drug prohibitions were never legal, including perjury in the Congressional record leading to cannabis prohibition.

In fact, as part of my online activism, I am producing a documentary that includes interviews with drug 'warriors', including former NIDA chief Robert DuPont.

""non-violent offenders" is ONLY drug offenders, which we know is not true. "

Actually, the maximum sentencing for, say, child abusers is a fraction of the mandatory minimum for trafficking, and all illegal drugs combined cause around one percent of the deaths associated with "legal" fatty foods, alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceuticals.

"Further, the vast majority of people actually in a prison for marijuana offenses (which is what we discuss here) are not there for simple possession of a personal use amount. Most pot offenders that actually get to prison are sellers and growers, which is not the category the "average" user or member here fits into. "

FACT: Statistics from ONDCP, et al prove that efforts to combat pot use have resulted in high school senior marijuana use rates of well over fifty percent, at times and in some locations well over 60 percent.

Bella donna related deaths among young people would almost certainly increase exponentially along with similarly disingenuous political ad campaigns. Furthermore, if Angel Trumpets were advertised as the most dangerous drug, that prolific weed would be worth several times it's weight in gold, and be associated with increases in crime, violence, homicides, budgets, property and asset forfeitures, as well as firepower on both sides of the law.

"Some here dispute the claim that narco-terrorism exists. I'll watch closely to see if any of them take your source to task over that. "

Watch, closely:

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/thenethe.htm

Is peace officer mortality higher during prohibition policy enforcement?
http://mysite.verizon.net/aahpat/pol/ppold.htm

Additionally;

48 or 6.9% of 696 officers killed between 1987-1996 died enforcing the prohibition drug war policy.
From the 1996 FBI report:Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted.
http://www.fbi.gov:80/ucr/killed/96killed.pdf

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/.../graphs/10.htm

Our weapons are truth and justice. Your side consistently omits material relevant facts that would tend to exonerate US!

We are consistently and irrefutably exposing the counter productive and fraudulent prohibition policies as illegal.

Even if I have to run for office myself**, the Drug War Crimes Act will soon be a reality:

http://65.18.211.65/terror

Jose Melendez,

http://rxpot.com

** http://rxpot.com/cannabisnews/voteJose.html

Niteshift

If we look only at the DEA, then yes, cannabis is not their highest concern, cocaine is. However, we all know the DEA just loves its coca; can't start the day without it.

I'm still trying to find a chart from statewide law enforcement...

You probably won't find an accurate similar chart because of the sheer number of state and local agencies.

And, I am sure that you recognize the differences in the weights of a particular drug. In realistic terms 2 pounds of one drug is "worth" more in dosage tersm than 4 pounds of another.



You are FIRED! join leap.cc

If you would advocate firing someone who simply didn't agree with your rhetoric, I wouldn't want to be in a position where you would be able to fire me. It's petty.

"crooks with guns and badges" " . . . talking about?"

NOBODY here, including me, has EVER claimed that there is no corruption caused by the WoD. In fact, I've clearly stated that there is.

However, there is corruption NOT caused by the WoD and pointing out a few scattered examples, then making an over broad generalization about "crooks with badges" does a disservice to the tens of thousands of cops who are NOT corrupt.

What other "profits" are there?"

Need I mention Wackenhut?

You prive evidence of how a PRIVATE COMPANY is making money......but that doesn't support your claim about "crooks with guns and badges" making money, unless you are making the big leap of considering that employees of a PRIVATE COMPANY are somehow now law enforcement officers.

Regarding civil asset forfeiture, again, these items or the money gained from their sale are not converted to personal use. Therefore they do not personally enrinch cops and so that doesn't support your claim of "profit making" either.

"Why is Weiner a former employee? Was he fired? Did he leave on his own? On good terms?"

You address this by giving me a biography, which addresses NONE of the questions I asked. So it was pretty irrelevant.

NONE of what you posted told me if he was fired or left on his own. Or if he left on good terms. If that was contained in all that public relations rhetoric, please distill it an point it out for me, because I don't see it.

Or do you simply not have the answer to that?

I'll personally call your bluff and raise the stakes:

Knock yourself out.

Professional and habitual drug-war chicken hawks alike should note: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." If the 9/11 attacks cost a few hundred thousand dollars, $43 million Washington approved as "aid" to the Afghans to prohibit poppies in May 2001 almost certainly comforted the Taliban. Their opium stockpiles soon flooded America as cheap heroin, a pattern that continues to this day.

Nice spiel. The problem is that you ignore the fact that the money in question was given to the United Nations for relief programs and disbursed BY THEM through their relief programs. You make it sound like the US government paid the money directly to the Taliban. This is not true.

We feed animals to animals, yet viable Cannabis (marijuana hemp) seeds are prohibited. We complain about price-fixing of foods, supplements and medications, but prohibit edible hemp, containing the highest palatable ratios of essential fatty acids and proteins. Smoked ganja, long demonstrated as safe and efficacious for ritual, intoxicant or medicinal use is described by federal mantra as a cruel hoax on the sick and dying.

I'm sorry, but who the hell are you talking to? For some reason, you've blown in here and decided that since I took issue with some statements made that I oppose the legalization of marijuana. I DO NOT oppose the legalization of marijuana. So give your sermon to someone else, since you are "calling a bluff" that I'm not making. (In the future, you might not want to make assumptions about how a person views an issue. I'm sure you know what happens when you make assumptions, don't you?)

Note that to date, the Office of National Drug Control Policy, the Drug Enforcement Administration, Health and Human Services and even D.A.R.E. all remain silent at pending Food and Drug Administration regulation of the same cigarettes that kill millions every year across the globe - as medical devices!

So? Why are you telling me this? Hell, I've even posted on here several times that I think DARE is a big waste of time.

John Kerry's Iran-Contra Congressional investigations concluded that leaders of the day "were not blind to the idea" that drug money could fund extra-judicial military operations. The resulting crack cocaine epidemic continues, enabled by rules made possible by conflicts of interest, perjury and omission of material facts. Such laws mandate penalties that, per capita, are consistently and systematically enforced in inverse proportions to the offender's skin color and income.

The claim of racism is bogus. I have addressed it elsewhere on this forum. Feel free to search for those because I have no interest in revisiting the issue with you until you've read my previous statements.

That's very nice. An OPINION piece written by a member of LEAP. And what makes his opinion any more valid than anyone elses?

Again, your response to a question is to post a biography and NOT answer the question. With the exception of the FBI National Academy (a program I have problems with), my resume is very similar to his in education and experience. So I'm not bowled over by it.

My question remains....What makes his opinion more valid than anyone elses?

If Weiner eventually realized drug war is fraud and was fired for it, all the more reason to use existing law to expose drug prohibitions as illegal.

Was he fired?

For example, it is a violation of Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution to wage war on Americans, or provide aid and comfort to the enemy. The antitrust Sherman and Clayton Acts, based on hundreds of years of common restraint of trade laws, prohibit price fixing and collusions that may result in increased pricing on inferior products, made more popular by the exclusion of what are demonstrably far less harmful foods, supplements, medications and intoxicants.

That's a nice piece of writing...........have you found a court that agrees with that legal assessment? If not, why? Could it be because it isn't realistic in what it says?

Actually, the maximum sentencing for, say, child abusers is a fraction of the mandatory minimum for trafficking, and all illegal drugs combined cause around one percent of the deaths associated with "legal" fatty foods, alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceuticals.

What did that have to do with what I said: "non-violent offenders" is ONLY drug offenders, which we know is not true. "

FACT: Statistics from ONDCP, et al prove that efforts to combat pot use have resulted in high school senior marijuana use rates of well over fifty percent, at times and in some locations well over 60 percent.

Again, what does that have to do with what I said: "Further, the vast majority of people actually in a prison for marijuana offenses (which is what we discuss here) are not there for simple possession of a personal use amount. Most pot offenders that actually get to prison are sellers and growers, which is not the category the "average" user or member here fits into. "

"Some here dispute the claim that narco-terrorism exists. I'll watch closely to see if any of them take your source to task over that. "

You provide me with your "watch closely" and try to convince ME of something When I clearly said: "Some here dispute the claim that narco-terrorism exists. I'll watch closely to see if any of them take your source to task over that. "

Why are you trying to convince ME of something I CLEARLY stated OTHERS (as in "them") disagree with?

Our weapons are truth and justice. Your side consistently omits material relevant facts that would tend to exonerate US!

So far, what I've seen you use is avoidance of actual questions and answering questions that weren't asked.

Further, you have INCORRECTLY labelled me as "my side" opposing the legalization of marijuana. That was an INCORRECT ASSUMPTION on your part, brought on by your prejudice that anyone who disagrees with a some of what you say must disagree with all of what you say. It is also brought on by sheer laziness that leads to you THINKING you know something that is in fact false.

So in closing: Find out who you are talking to and what they believe FIRST, before making false statement about their beliefs and giving them the "benefit" of your self-righteous sermonettes.

And don't lecture me about "truth and justice" when you practice avoidance and irrelevant responses.

Jose Melendez

"Find out who you are talking to and what they believe FIRST,"

Sure. Drug war is illegal. I'm using existing law. I've read your stuff for years, admired lots of it. Repeat: I stand by my words.

Jose Melendez