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How did this turn into an anti-communist diatribe? Well, to make a point. Some people think ALL police officers are EVIL. It was my intent to show that, like it or not there will always be a need for law inforcement. The founders of the communist movement aparantly believed they were creating a utopian society. One withot cops and armies.
Many nations CALLED themselves communist, but as far as I can tell, there never has been a true communist state. Socialist, but not communist. People like releafer and nagualie seem to think that we would be better off without cops. It was with some sarcasim that I suggested they must believe "the eternal truths of communism."
Yes, I did grow up during the '60s. At the height of the Cold War. That also was an influance on how I view the world. Can't help it. I am, however, slowly entering the 21st century...
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"To grasp the true meaning of socialism, imagine a world where everything is designed by the post office, even the sleaze." P. J. O'Rourke

 

Jose Melendez

"even if ALL marijuana laws were abolished, there would still be a need for law enforcement. Remember, not all cops are evil and not all others are good."

Hear, HEAR!

Also, Niteshift, you made it clear that the information was hearsay, sorry to seem as if I was 'proving' you wrong, just updating info with the latest news.

In answer to where I've been, I had a bit of browser incompatibility with the new format, but finally successfully registered, and am back for another six years or so.

Nice to be online with all of you, even those hiding behind psuedonyms and emoticons.

;-)

Bellatrix

It's all good Joe; I see that you and I are on the same page. Me, I grew up during the '80s, so I'm more familiar with stuff like Gorbechov (sp?) and the fall of the Berlin Wall. I am not so naive to think that the human race can function without law enforcement. I mean, yeah right! One of the reasons I am so dead-set against prohibition is that it hampers cops from doing their jobs. It also corrupts and creates mistrust in what should be a dependable public service.

Hmm...interesting quote but I don't know...Canada is definately more socialist than the US, and I tend to find our sleaze much more diverting ( ) Besides, our post office is far too incompetent to design anything!

Returning to the article, I must admit I have mixed feelings about teaching these kids about handgun safety. I mean, sure, in a rural area, having a class about firing a hunting rifle would have been appropriate, but this? A mean, a handgun? It seems excessive to me; perhaps even glorified. In my hometown, in VERY rural Ontario, we all had hunting rifles and we all knew how to use them. I've never even picked up a handgun. I think that Suetaz makes an important distinction between Sex Ed and Gun Ed, although I do think demystifying both is an important element of educaton and therefore safety.

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Niteshift

I'm not trying to nitpick Niteshift, but I assume you mean nobody else?

I mean bystanders. The agent did what he did and suffered the consequences. But no bystanders were hurt.

Also, Niteshift, you made it clear that the information was hearsay, sorry to seem as if I was 'proving' you wrong, just updating info with the latest news.

At this point, nobody has been able to tell me if the agent was acting in an official capacity or not.


Teaching gun safety may indeed make a child more interested in guns.

If it is done properly, gun safety education is very positive and can impact the number of accident deaths and certain crimes.

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Jose Melendez

Niteshift:

As I stated, I was NOT trying to prove you wrong about official capacity, simply clarifying the record, sir. Again, please do at least chill, and consider joining LEAP. I am not your enemy.

In fact, I would like you to please ask one of your friends to get me the tape from the cop car in this case, so I don't have to go through the hassle of suing or filing a Sunshine Act (freedom of information) request:

http://pipepeace.com/z

That said, "official capacity" would seem to be a moot point:

from: http://www.drugpolicy.org/race/historyofpro/

"[T]he drug laws can be used selectively and sporadically, against the poor or the otherwise undesirable, which is by no means incidental. Their enforcement is a tremendous political and economic weapon against what we call the Third World
-- James Baldwin

In 1910 Dr. Hamilton Wright, considered by some the father of U.S. anti-narcotics laws, reported that U.S. contractors were giving cocaine to their Black employees to get more work out of them.(3) A few years later, stories began to proliferate about "cocaine-crazed Negroes" in the South who had run amuck. The New York Times published a story that alleged "most of the attacks upon white women of the South are the direct result of the 'cocaine-crazed' Negro brain." The story asserted that "Negro cocaine fiends are now a known Southern menace." Some southern police departments switched to .38 caliber revolvers, because they thought cocaine made Blacks impervious to .32 caliber bullets.(4) These stories were in part motivated by a desire to persuade Southern members of Congress to support the proposed Harrison Narcotics Act, which would greatly expand the federal government's power to control drugs.(5)

. . . The reinvigorated war on drugs declared by President Richard Nixon targeted and effectively criminalized both groups of his staunchest critics -- youth and urban minorities.

3. The New York Times, "Negro Cocaine Fiends, New Southern Menace" February 11, 1914.

4. In 1912 the first international Opium Convention meets at The Hague, and recommends various measures for the international control of the trade in opium. Subsequent Opium Conventions are held in 1913 and 1914.

5. In 1914 the U.S. Congress adopted the Harrison Narcotic Act, the first federal law to impose registration and record keeping requirements on the production and sale of opiates and cocaine. The Harrison Act was the implementation of the Hague Convention of 1912, which called upon signatories to enact domestic legislation controlling narcotics supplies and distribution."

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Of course, this technique, which verifiably encourages the street version of an arms race, crosses borders and is evident today:

from: http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_1...WS/prk1028.htm

Today, the weapons of choice by the bad guys are much newer and better than the old police special. Bad guys (and girls) are using small, rapid-fire, semi-automatic guns that can be concealed in pockets and purses, while police have to use the hard-to-load and bulky Smith and Wesson .38.


The labor ministry ruling will change all that. Two years ago, the Ontario Provincial Police Association (OPPA), representing 4,500 OPP officers who work for the province, demanded an investigation of the safety of police guns.

Concerns included problems with both the loading and firing of the ancient Smith and Wesson. The main problem in firing the .38 police special is that it needs to be cocked and then fired. On the other hand, semi-automatic guns don't need to be cocked each time and can fire up to 25 shots without reloading. Reloading is a simple step of inserting a new pre- loaded cartridge.

In addition, female officers were having difficulty with the hand strength needed to both cock and fire their guns. As a result, many have been provided with smaller .32 calibre guns, which are easier to fire.

But these smaller guns are also seen to be a threat to the health and safety of female officers because they "wouldn't stop a sparrow," according to one police spokesperson.

See also two links I posted in comment #90 or so at the bottom of: http://weblog.siliconvalley.com/colu...7.shtml#010317

Thanks for your kind words, but gun "safety"? Whatever. Let's start with REAL education, instead of the current political advertising campaign waged in our schools by D.A.R.E., et al:

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v04/n033/a12.html?61810

THEN, YES, take kids out to a rifle range and teach them THE TRUTH about guns, as we should be doing with drugs and, say . . . condoms.

Kids that grow up lied to become jaded, cynical and tend to distrust authority. If you want respect, you'll have to earn it.

VOTE, WRITE and SPEAK OUT against tyrrany.

Jose Melendez
http://rxpot.com/

 

liteundrdadoor

EXACTLY!!!

i have been handling firearms for the better part of my 30 years.
yes, i got my first .22 rifle when i was 6 ! basic gun safety is as second nature to me as tying my shoe and i contribute that to learning early about guns and gun safety.

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xxdr_zombiexx

Welcome back Mr. Melendez.

I am unsure where you live, but I live in the ultra-backwards po-lice state of Georgia. it is still the 1940's here.

"Coming out" would mean the end of gainful employment and make me a target for recurrent police harrassment, and I simply have no desire to go to jail. Or be killed.

All it takes is one of the "anonymous tips" to raid my home for "mary-ju-wanna gardens" - and I would be ruined. Bail alone would ruin me financially, even if I was eventually found "not guilty.

Perhaps someday I will move west where people enjoy more freedoms, or maybe cannabis will be relegalized.

Until then, its a stupid netname.

Cheers!

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There's no money for your issue so long as we're squandering $50 billion a year on the DrugWar. Ben Masel

Fear became the ultimate tool of this government - V.

Jose Melendez

Thanks, Doc,

Of course, as my smiley nosed wink indicates, I mean no one harm. I understand that the employment issue would likely dog even Niteshift, I don't blame him(?) or anyone for having to participate anonymously in this underground wireless.

That said, I'm proud of Progressive's Peter Lewis, George Soros and Marc Emery for speaking out, and am rather proud of the local L.E.O. higher ups for cracking down on a bad Volusia County Sheriff. (He was turned in by coworkers for threatening a woman by grabbing her by the throat, and more)

http://www.news-journalonline.com/Ne...AD02041704.htm

Of course, after Volusia Co. Sheriff's evidence locker lost hundreds of pounds of pot and lots of cocaine, followed by the importing of 4,000 more pounds of Mexican brick into DeLand, FL via Laredo, TX, it should come as no surprise that for the following month, locals had POUNDS of the SAME kind of weed.

http://www.local6.com/news/2931199/detail.html

http://www.local6.com/news/2794149/detail.html

http://www.news-journalonline.com/Ne...AD02042904.htm

Whatever, again. "Here's the new boss, same as the old boss . . ."

I hereby publicly call on DeLand P.D. spokesman Sgt. Al Tolley to acquire and deliver the video tape and also the disk of photo images taken during an illegal search out of jurisdiction, with neither probable cause nor warrant:

http://pipepeace.com/z

Thanks again, I love you all, even the trolls and those who vehemently disagree.

Jose

Hiz Highness

Ummm . . . I hate to break it to you but the human race has had many civilizations that functioned perfectly well without police or jails. Look at the Native Americans, the vikings, the Maori, etc. It's actually naive to think police and jails are the only system that can keep social order.

Just something to ponder.

-HH

Jose Melendez

Yeah Muddy, let's tear down this wall RIGHT NOW.

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re: "same as the old boss"

note to those at http://johnkerry.com:

Get Rand Beers to publicly and regularly acknowledge:

(1.) http://pipepeace.com/terror/potusHint.html

. . . and make this a wide plank in your platform.

Remind the 'flip flop'* accusatory crowd that goals, ideas, ideals, laws and even species EVOLVE, despite and often DUE TO faith, wishes or prayer to the contrary, including alcohol and drug prohibitions.

*(We may be barefoot, but stand our ground. -jm)

This will certainly earn the respect of many millions of your fellow citizens, friends, including coworkers, veterans, youth, minorities and the retired, as well as single females and parents and citizens around the world that actually DO vote, not having been so jaded their ENTIRE lives over a freaking weed, whether that be cannabis, poppy or coca. Ritalin and Adderal (along with a tablespoon or so of caffeine) are not chemically or from a stimulant standpoint all that different than meth and MDMA, OxyContin is synthetic heroin,

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/stor...p-111131c.html

Marinol is synthetic THC, and yet DEA and others are actively blocking GW Pharmaceuticals' Sativex:

http://business.scotsman.com/banking.cfm?id=494982004

Prohibitions increase the street costs of both illicit contraband and legal drugs:

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v04/n662/a02.html?397

and should be treated as an antitrust violation:

http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/contact/newcase.htm

We are, certainly I am not going to stand by idly as Americans, for years illegally prohibited access to cannabis are denied their RIGHT to possess and trade in raw, living, generic cannabis, TAX FREE and REGARDLESS of end user product, just as the internet (2.) and, say, lysine (3.) should be, FOREVER.

Especially, neither . . . "party" will get away with giving the hemp trade to the Chinese and Cambodians:

http://www.tdctrade.com/alert/eu0022.htm

http://www.delkhm.cec.eu.int/en/eu_a...y/textiles.pdf

or the Germans and English:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040407/sfw026_1.html

. . . while U.S. citizens are profitably jailed by hundreds of thousands (4.) even as our 'approved', so called purified (5.) and heavily lobbied, taxed and regulated drugs and delivery devices, along with fatty foods, (again, see #1.) kill over ONE MILLION Americans every year.

That a billion dollar industry, one of the world's largest employers, the incarceration and "Justice" system is rife with systemic, if not approved or ignored fraud and abuse is almost as sad and wrong as those in law enforcement that look the other way, while bad guys with guns make careers of crime, enhanced by their badges.

Those last folk would otherwise be vigilantes, like this guy:

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/08/No..._stuff__.shtml

or this one:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/Ne...AD02041704.htm

Drug war IS crime.

-jm

http://rxpot.com

(2.) see also: http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread18623.shtml

(3.) http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/pres.../1996/0988.htm

(4.) . . . disproportionately to our skin color(s). We can actually govern ourselves:

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/orego...1293752640.xml

(5.) "It is interesting to me that the “medical marijuana†advocates are loudly and consistently opposed to using purified chemicals instead of smoked marijuana. They are also loudly and consistently opposed to any delivery system except smoking, despite the known toxicity of smoking."

- Robert L. DuPont , M.D.

from:

TESTIMONY (under oath) OF Robert L. DuPont , M.D.
President, Institute for Behavior and Health, Inc.
BEFORE Committee on Government Reform
Subcommittee on Criminal Justice, Drug Policy and Human Resources
"MARIJUANA AND MEDICINE:
THE NEED FOR A SCIENCE-BASED APPROACH" April 1,2004

(see): google's html version of: http://www.ibhinc.org/pdfs/MedicalMa...aTestimony.pdf

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http://rxpot.com/cannabisnews/voteJose.html

finally, and apologies for the length of this post, but here's why the Dr. Bronner's soaps (in the title of this comment) are relevant:

http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chroni...onalerts.shtml