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ThaNarc

Exactly. The problem isn't the plant, it's the fact the plant is illegal which is causing most of the problems. The negative aspects of exposing the nations youth to the underground drug market that they may not be experienced enough to handle is what is causing most of the problems. To say "this isn't your father grass" is a b.s. I mean what exactly was the point of smoking weed back then? The same as it is today wasn't it.

To say that more potent weed is now suddenly more available is misleading; it's the demand for more potent marijuana that has gone up. By keeping it illegal your just allowing a black market to flourish off a simple plant that is can not be sold for up to $400 oz. on the street. All because it not of the traditional fermented variety. But don't worry. The kids will find some way to get that money; Americans can still be quite intrepid when we want to be.

Is it just me are that doesn't sound like a whole lot. I mean 7,535 out of the number of people we are talking about, about 1 in every 5 kids if those other studies are to be believed, isn't a whole lot. I figured the number would have been higher teens being the completely rational beings that they are.

And while your throwing more of my hard earned money away, how about you study the effect all those little pill that put little Billy in a mood his parents approve of. How are they effecting the biological development of these kid's brains. You never know, we could be creating a whole generation of flipper babies, whose damages is psychological instead of physical.

America, where you can walk around liquored up with a burning cancer stick in your mouth, and 8 hard on from the viagra you've just taken. You got love it.

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fight4rights

I can’t believe that the government is trying to use this for more reefer madness propaganda.

Consider this, vodka has much more alcohol in it (by volume) than beer does.
Does that mean it is more dangerous, more addicting, and more harmful?
Of course not. You only need one shot of vodka to have the same affect of one bottle of beer.
I don’t see people drinking mugs of hard alcohol, it just doesn’t make sense.

More potent weed is what we need; it means less hits, which in turn means less lung damage.

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SevenLeafs

(Greetings to all, just registered, but I'm no newbie to this site. Anyways...)

I wanted to say a couple of things that just came to my mind after reading some of the replies here. I think that many of you are on the right track saying that the government doesn't want to legalize Marijuana because of something to do with taxes. I totally agree with this, and why? well the reason is simple, you cannot put taxes on something you can grow on your own house. Alcohol, for instance, cannot be grown on your back yard (duh!) , it has to go through some process (which I wouldn't know off) which you cannot do with any conventional ways, and thus, some industry has to develop it and then they can benefit from it by putting out a tax law. What is the only law one can apply to marijuana? Heh, well, to make it illegal, therefore you would have control over it. It is very simple if you ask me, they do it solely to benefit from it (that's what governments, 90%, do, try to benefit from whatever they can "for the people".....off course). How can they benefit from making marijuana illegal? Well.... you figure it out. Maybe they want it all for themselves? Who knows...

However, we must always read these kinds of articles with much intelligence, for they were written by someone who knows how to write things (off course). So when you read something against marijuana for example, you can notice that much evasiveness is used. It will never state something so bluntly like "marijuana is bad for you, it will make you dummer and it may kill you", instead you see things like "marijuana users ending up in emergency rooms have increased over the last 5 months" or something like that. You can't get much out of this statement, for example, do those marijuana users use any other hard drug? why did they end up in the emergency room? was it actually because of marijuana? or was it because they got mugged by some jerk who hit them in the head with a baseball bat and just happened to be a marijuana user? Many questions arise and we cannot let people make us believe things that aren't actually true.

Another thing that really bothers me: "Marijuana is proven to be addictive, many of the first-time users who lke marijuana will most likely end up consuming it again". Is there anything new in trying something that you liked again? As someone (can't remember the Username) stated above, "I liked the guitar when I was very young, I became addicted" so??

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Logos

Gold grows on the branches of a shrubbery...

400 per oz... Anyone got the current price of gold handy? Betting the difference is negligable...

What should marijuana realistically cost? (before taxes)

Alcohol can be made by regular people. My father used to make his own Kalua. You just can't sell it without dealing with a ton of red tape. Not sure if distilling your own alcohol is legal, but I run across stories occasionally regarding people being caught with a still. They still seem to focus on the distribution aspect in those stories. Maybe NS could be of some assistance with this one.

If marijuana isn't lethal, how come so many people go to the emergency room when they get too stoned? downside to a black market, you never know if your dealer is putting something in your produce.

One of two things, either the weed has been mixed with something else, or people simply do not know that marijuana isn't deadly. Not like the government hasn't been saying how deadly it is for 70 some odd years, yet we have not one corpse from marijuana overdose...

the drug war is an 11 billion dollar per year failure. That's what our taxes support. If you pay taxes you support terrorism...

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Plainsman1963

Logos, I empathize with the lack of good weed. Until I started growing I never realized I was smoking "midgrade". Never even knew the word. As soon as you are able, get some seeds, an hps light and you will blow the doors off of what you have been smoking.
We'll talk ya through it across the fence, if need be.

As for the price of before taxes. When my family had our businesses, we considered the holy grail a 100% profit. So our cost doubled would be the ideal for us.
Using that criteria, before tax cost would be $25.00 an ounce from me. Hit it with a 400% tax...You still would be lower than current commercial prices in my area.
Would be another nice thing. Standardized pricing.

Sorry if I went off topic a bit there. I am a strictly personal use grower, but I have dreamed about being able to help supply a Medical CO-OP or what a business it would be if legalized and have run through the figures for ****s and giggles.

Jose, nice post.

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smoking_joe_lee

One claim made in ths story is that pot is two to three times stromger than it once was. As one who has been around for over 50 years (damn, thats more than a half century) I would agree with this. A couple of hits today seems equal to half a jay back in '70. Still not adictive tho.
I would say mj, like Sponge Bob Square Pants is habit forming. After seeing Sponge Bob a couple of times I started looking in the tv listings to see if it was on. It's also a lot more funny after a hit or two of some good smoke.
Yes, pot is more expensive now. Used to be, an ounce went for ten bucks! A candy bar, 5 cents. A burger at micky d, 15 cents. A...what was I talking about...where's my lighter...oh, there it is...
later...

Jose Melendez

Thanks, Plainsman 1963

also, jnfdmjnf:

I just emailed some of this stuff to CNN, Bill Maher and Montel Williams, along with:

bjohnson@so.co.volusia.fl.us, info@johnkerry.com, Ombudsman@npr.org, lperkins@local6.com, leap.cc, info@montelshow.com, publicaffairs@voa.gov, atc@npr.org, LARRYJOHNSTONFL@aol.com, atrisler@columbuspd.com, newcase.atr@usdoj.gov, moore.te@hsmv.state.fl.us, bob_graham@graham.senate.gov, ddanforbes@aol.com, atfmail@atf.gov, AskDOJ@usdoj.gov, inspector.general@usdoj.gov, fdle.state.fl.us, info@gatesfoundation.org, wellsfargo.com, sternshow@howardstern.com, cowan@marijuananews.com, president@whitehouse.gov, kubby.com, pot-tv.net, drudgereport.com, TommyChong@FreeTommyChong.org

see also: http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/05/04...ana.adults.ap/

flashback: remember Joyce Nalepka?

http://www.ourdrugfreekids.org/marij...connection.htm

She's awful quiet about the 1,000,000 to 20K annual death ratio, or the fact that marijuana use contributes to zero of those deaths, unless you count deaths associated with the unconstitutional and antitrust fraud known as cannabis prohibition.

from: http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=1839573

" While the number of people smoking marijuana hasn't changed much in the past 10 years, the number of people getting hooked on the drug has increased dramatically, especially among minority groups.

That's the conclusion of a new study in the May 5 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association. And the researchers suspect the increasing potency of marijuana may be to blame for the rise in dependence.

"The quick answer is, we don't know for sure why there's been an increase, but we think it can partly be explained by the potency of marijuana -- marijuana is about twice as potent now as it was 10 years ago," said study author Dr. Wilson Compton, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse's division of epidemiology, services and prevention research."

from: http://www.psychiatry24x7.com/news/d...=p0429046.3rw0

""The results of our study show that use of marijuana remained stable in 2001-2002 compared to 1991-1992; however, there were significant increases in marijuana abuse or dependence, especially in certain minority subgroups," says Dr. Compton. "Overall, marijuana abuse or dependence rose by 22 percent from 1991-1992 to 2001-2002. This means that there were approximately 800,000 more adults in the United States with marijuana abuse or dependence in 2001-2002. Furthermore, marijuana abuse or dependence was more common among Whites than among minorities in 1991-1992, but by 2001-2002 the differences in abuse and dependence rates among the different ethnic groups had narrowed considerably. This change was due to increases of 224 percent among young African-American men and women aged 18-29, and 148 percent among young Hispanic men aged 18- 29."

The increase in potency of marijuana over the last decade may be partly responsible for the drug's increased abuse and dependence, particularly since marijuana use patterns have not changed over this period. However, no single factor can account entirely for the increases seen in minority populations, the authors report. Numerous cultural, psychosocial, economic, and lifestyle factors likely play roles."

from: http://www.marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=332

An editorial in the Journal of the American Medical Association of 1 May 1937 advised that "the proposed Federal venture into the interstate control of cannabis hardly seems to be justified by experience . . . After more than twenty years of Federal effort and the expenditure of millions of dollars, the opium and cocaine habits are still widespread."

fropm: http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/...20990026.shtml

Dr. Lester Grinspoon, associate professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, has written about the war on marijuana in the New England Journal of Medicine and in the Journal of the American Medical Association. He also has written on the subject in two books, ''Marijuana Reconsidered'' and ''Marijuana, The Forbidden Medicine.'' Of the war on weed, Grinspoon has said, ''Since I started my work on marijuana in 1967, more than 10 million Americans have been arrested on marijuana charges in the United States. This is just extraordinary when you consider that cannabis imposes less harm on the individual and on society than either alcohol or tobacco.''


from google's cache of: www.smokingparadise.net/News/obvious.html

"What will occur in America soon is already occurring in the United Kingdom.* The taxes are so high that, in addition to a growing smuggling problem, the country is now being inundated with shoddy cigarettes made in China.* The United States experienced something similar during alcohol prohibition.* It was called "bathtub gin".* Prohibition doesn't work.* High taxes don't work.* Anti-tobacco making government policy really doesn't work."

see also: http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/m...4/ixworld.html

Especially, see: http://www.house.gov/judiciary/jenk0615.htm

"ECSTASY" AND OTHER CLUB DRUGS STATEMENT

BY PHILIP JENKINS

DISTINGUISHED PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AND RELIGIOUS STUDIES

PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY

June 15, 2000

"The dreadful bathtub gin of that era was a direct consequence of the illegal status of the substance. Ditto for Al Capone and his like: alcohol did not CAUSE such figures; rather, they were permitted to arise and flourish solely and entirely because alcohol was illegal."


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OccultPizza

How many thousands of posts does it take to get a title here? ~grins~

Now back too the topic.

Why must they always blame inanimate objects for the delusional state that our nations kids are in? The world doesn't show our children anything but pain, suffering, strife, etc. With out really teaching that it is part of life. Or alternative ways to escape the repetative condundrum that life can be. We tell our children to act a certain way, they turn on the TV BAMMO DEATH, PAIN, SUFFERING. Parents have no time for their kids? WTF?!?! We have all these modern conveniences of life, yet we don't have any time??? Place the blame where it belongs. Upon society and the parents who raise their children (that is hard in itself considering there is no book with individualistic needs for each child), yet we must take accountability for how our kids are raised. So many kids I hear today say "I can't talk too my parents, they are a-holes!" I think that sums it up right there ~grins evilly~.

fight4rights

I think that the government could generate a great deal of tax revenue off of legalizing marijuana. The government could charge a tax off of all marijuana that was sold in stores.
They could outlaw growing your own weed, (which wouldn't stop everyone, but maybe a few people) or put a tax on marijuana plants.
If weed was legal I would have no problem paying a few dollars per plant that I grew.

OccultPizza

They don't tax me on my flowers, tomatoes, or green onions once they are ripe, but give them time ~sarcastic chuckle~, however when you buy a packet of seeds you do pay a small federal tax and state tax upon that. Hell they could even do what they did to tobacco $4 of your cigarettes (if you smoke? I don't anymore) are sin tax. Make the seeds $20 bucks a piece, even then you can still mother several hundred plants from that seed. They just need to quit screwing around and make it legal ~chuckles~. Too much money in it for the too keep it illegalized.