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Deputies raid medical marijuana operation
KPTV (FOX 12) | 05-29-04

PORTLAND - Sheriff's deputies have seized 110 marijuana plants from a greenhouse in Woodburn operated by a medical marijuana group.

Shawn Flury of Oregon Green Cross says the crop was for about 35 people allowed to smoke marijuana under Oregon's medical marijuana law. Each person was given an ounce of the drug twice a month.

However, sheriff's officials say they seized the marijuana because the operation lacked the documentation needed to grow that many plants.

There have been other raids of people suspected of violating the state's medical marijuana law, but this week's raid involved an unusually large number of plants.

Oregon's five-year-old medical marijuana law allows cardholders to grow no more than seven plants. Cardholders can, however, designate a caregiver to grow marijuana for them.

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I want my tax money back.

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Plainsman1963

And what is the law if a cardholder designates a caregiver? Does the caregiver only get 7 plants to grow as well?
What I am asking I guess is does the law allow a caregiver to grow for more than one card holder?
If the answer is no, if the 7 plant rule is absolute, than I guess they knew that going in right? And if that is the answer, than do the crime, do the time.

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Mounties' pot bust leaves patients without supply

Sandra McCulloch |Times Colonist | May 30, 2004

The seizure by Mounties of marijuana plants from an East Sooke home and outbuilding last week means 390 ill people will now have to rely on the black market for their supply, said Phillippe Lucas, president of the Vancouver Island Compassion Society.

On Thursday, West Shore RCMP officers acting on a search warrant raided a home and outbuilding in the 5000-block of Mount Matheson Road. They arrested two men, one of whom was a paid caretaker and the other a friend who stopped by, said Lucas. The two men face charges of growing and trafficking in marijuana. Their names have not been released.

Police described the grow operation as very sophisticated and Lucas agrees with the assessment.

"It produced the absolutely safest and most standardized medicinal cannabis supply in Canada," he said Saturday.

The Vancouver Island Compassion Society provides marijuana to its members for medical purposes. Lucas faced marijuana trafficking charges in July 2002 but provincial court Judge Robert Higinbotham threw out the case on the basis that Lucas was trying to lessen the suffering of others.

"He provided that which the government was unable to provide -- a safe and high quality supply of marijuana to those needing it for medicinal purposes," said Higinbotham in his July 5, 2002 ruling.

The compassion society ran a lab-style marijuana-production and research facility in East Sooke to benefit people suffering from critical and chronic illnesses, said Lucas.

"It's a house with a converted outer building (where) three people were legally allowed to grow 70 plants at the location. I can account for every single gram that's produced there."

The plants included 35 different strains that were tailored to treat different medical conditions, he said.

The police raid will have "a very dramatic effect" on the society, said Lucas.

"For the last 15 months we've been off the black market completely and solely dependent on this facility for our supply. Now we're back on the black market."

Lucas said he got a phone call from the RCMP Thursday, before the plants were cut down.

"They were trying to clarify with Health Canada how many plants were legally allowed to be grown there."

But that clarification couldn't be made, Lucas said, since Health Canada's offices in Ottawa were closed for the day.

Calls to West Shore RCMP investigators of the case were not returned Saturday.

Lucas will now line up some sympathetic growers to supply the society members. And he'll be asking the Crown prosecutors to drop charges on the basis the marijuana was being grown for medicinal purposes.

"It's a very frustrating situation, and it's definitely going to be a major setback for the organization."

[Suetaznote: What I don't get is why they couldn't wait until they had all their facts straight before they ruined the whole operation. It's quite possible that in both situations they were not in violation of anything, but the paperwork hadn't been done to prove it. Gee, the government behind on paperwork? What a surprise! Government backlogs on paperwork hurts many people in many ways, but to me this looks intentional. This will continue in the future if medical growers have to rely on the government to keep the paperwork up to date. What I don't get is why they couldn't have been given a fine or a warning first. If a bar/drinking establishment is in violation of something, the cops don't take all their bottles of booze and shut the place down for some minor first offence. If the cops thought these growers were over their allowable plant limit, why couldn't they have just taken away the ones that made it too many and given them a warning instead of putting so many medical marijuana patients in jeopardy? In the Canadian case, I would say Rich Coleman the Solicitor General of BC is behind the raid. These sick people wouldn't have to suffer through this if better regulations were in place and if the attitudes of law enforcement weren't so negative towards medical marijauna. We need to legalize it and not impose any limits to the number of plants grown. I don't think there is such a thing as too many plants. Any farmer can tell you, you never know when an accident or natural disaster can ruin your crops. Even plants grown in a lab could be ruined accidentally, whether a few or all. It's not like you can quickly replace them, you have to start all over. This marijauna is for people dying and suffering from debilitating diseases, why should there be any limits?]

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Hiz Highness

Why don't we try using reason, instead of blind obediance to a legal system? How much time should someone do for growing 110 pot plants?

According to Oregon law:
http://www.norml.com/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4559

Why do people adopt this ignorant attitude of accepting ridiculous punishments because "it's the law". Will people wake up already? If the law changes so we begin executing pot offenders will we still have herds of people wandering around saying "do the crime, do the time"?

Let's try using our brains in concert with our backbones. Let's start looking at things like this and getting angry instead of trying to justify why it's ok for these people who were growing pot for medical patients to be facing 20 years in a federal prison.

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Plainsman1963

Well, you may consider it an ignorant attitude, I consider it a reasonable one.

Yeah, I will still be saying the same thing if they make executing pot offenders. If the pot offenders know what the law is and still choose to defy it...Yep.

Why do people adopt this ignorant attitude that just because you disagree with a law that means you shouldn't be punished for breaking it?

I disagree with prostitution laws. I feel if it is legal for me to give it away, it should be legal for me to sell it. Now I can either work to change the law and not prostitute myself until it is changed, or I can go ahead and roll the dice and hope I don't get caught. If I choose to prostitute myself before the law is changed, I am personally responsible for the consequences.

How about if I disagree with the law that says I can't have sex with 9 year olds?

It is legal to grow 7 plants. Until the law is changed if you grow 8, than you should know what is coming and in my opinion should use your brain and backbone to admit you knowingly broke the law and should take the punishment for it.

Sorry if personal responsibility is such a foreign concept to you.

Virgil

If the fine for selling poon was 20 years in jail and $300,000 that would be right because that is the law? Sounds like you don't know very much or you might think of the 8th amendment or some higher thoughts. It is cruel and unusual punishment for something that is an unalienable right that is trampled on by the corruption that has blinded people like yourself into some delusional world.

Why can I not log in anymore?

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StewScum

Uh, you don't think taking the life of a person for a lifestyle decision is ok because its the law, and people know the consequences. I'm sorry but that is horribly wrong. If a law is wrong, it should be changed, and the best way to get a law changed is to break it, oddly enough. Prohibition made alchohol illigal and spawned organized crime we all know this. The speakeasy's ran by the mob became an institution where persons could go to break the law. Now, the goverment took notice of the rising amount of arrest and organized crime and realized that they either had to legalize alchohol again, or everyone would be in jail. The same thing is happening now. If everybody smoked weed, then it would become impossible to enforce, and it is getting to that point.
There have been more restricting laws that marijuana. What if there was a law saying you couldn't work on sundays under penalty of death, would you tell the man about to die he deserved it because he knew what the law was. Laws are not always right man, and sometimes people can't help but break them.

Yana Usdi

I've got to agree with StewScum on this one. Just because you know something might happen to you that doesn't mean we should just accept it. We should be pissed. The laws are wrong. When people resisted the returned slaves laws they were often punished, but they were on the right side of that fight. When people were jailed and beat through the south for asking for nothing more than racial equality they knew it would probably happen, but it was still wrong when it did. When we get busted for pot we know there was the chance, but we aren't supposed to just accept it. We're supposed to be pissed and make noise.

I can't understand the attitude that we knew it could happen so should just accept it. If the law is wrong, defy it, protest it, and make noise any way we can about it.

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Plainsman1963

Where did I say it was right? In fact, didn't I post I thought prostitution should be legal?
I said if you know the punishment and still commit the crime, don't act all surprised or offended when you get caught.

Perhaps it sounds that way. As a reasonable, semi mature person when I see someone post something I think is dumb, I look at their post count first. If it is a low post count, I have to go with my gut.
If it is a higher post count I will do a quick search of their posts and decide whether he doesn't know very much, or just has an opinion you don't agree with.
But that's just me.
Wow. So that's it?
Exactly. I don't think you intended it, but that truly is what I think.
It is wrong to not think taking a life of a person for a lifestyle decision is ok because it is the law?
Be careful, pro lifers will come after you.
Agreed.
Disagree. The best way to change a law is through the process set up to change laws, imho.
I agree laws are not always right. I do not agree that people can't help but break them. It is a choice and if you make a choice you should make an informed choice. That means that if the consequences of breaking a law is the death penalty, right or wrong I am going to think long and hard about breaking that particular law. If I do break it I know the penalty. Saying the penalty is wrong is not going to get me out of it. Better have a back up plan or find that acceptance quick.

I am a bit involved in the effort to legalize this herb. I send money to MPP, I vote, I write and send letters to politicians and anybody else I can think of.
I help run a website community filled with growers of this fine plant.

I break a law every day that would put me in prison anywhere from 5 to 25 years, depending on time of grow. That is my choice. I do not think for a minute that I am going to get a pass if caught, especially if I start whining about how it's all so unfair.
I could choose to wait until it is legal, or move where it is. I choose to break the law.

If I did live in a state that allowed me to grow 7 plants, I sure wouldn't work to mess it up by getting greedy. That was my original question. If a cardholder gives his card to a caregiver, as long as you have one caregiver for one cardholder couldn't you grow in a co-op setting?
The story was incomplete for me. I needed more info to make an informed decision.