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Niteshift

Last year, 21 special warfare sailors were discharged after failing drug tests. In 2002, positive tests forced out 32 sailors assigned to Naval Special Warfare.

BTW, since this was in bold print, it's worth addressing........

Being assigned to Naval Special Warfare doesn't mean you are a SEAL or a highly trained specialist. It means you are assigned to that command. Just like the Army Special Forces, Marine Recon etc., they have supply clerks, cooks etc. that are assigned to them are are part of the command, but that doesn't make them SEALS.

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iGame3D

You totaly glazed over the facts.
Nixon totaly dismissed all the research and embarked on a war on drugs. The commission had said "legalize it". He started the commission expecting to use it as a weapon against the American public, and it came back to bite him in face. He in turn betrayed us all.
May he rot in hell.

Not everyone is born to be contracted to be a drone robot for the state.
Recruiters LIE.
I know this as an indisputable fact of personal experience.
If the military can't be honest and can't deal with cannabis , f'em.

How about the 733 service men who got out of their contract for saying "I'm gay" since the "don't ask don't tell" policy was instituted.
The most recent one was supposed to be security detail for Bush.
Hmm I wonder why he decided to out himself instead of protecting this president.

Can't smoke a bone, can smoke a pole.
What can you smoke?
Tobacco.
Which kills about 1,000 people a day in this country alone, more dangerous than terrorism ever was.

Speaking of Iraq, the cover of this months GROW magazine shows an Army Specialist growing herb over there.


The reference to four guys killed in an accident and attributing it to pot doesn't really hold up, since guys die in accidents in the military almost every day, and pot is not in the picture. Mechanical failure, human error, whatever happens, happens.

Hell a guy in Iraq had an artillery shell explode while he was carrying it, must have been the weed it was smoking.

If pot is the cause of every military accident then there are lots of dope smokers in the military, and they are more accident prone than the rest of us. Maybe its not the weed but the stress and fatigue that causes the accidents? Something weed might elleviate.

Besides these SEALS were not on duty, they were on leave.
The commissions report said they found no adverse reaction to performance or ability from pot smoking.They traveled the world for this report, nearly unlimited funds to do their research.

I never said "hey when you are flying an F-16 at mach 3, spark up!" or
"Before you sneak into the enemy stronghold to save the hostages, smoke one for America!"

It must be monday.


Watch this sequence:

Whats wrong with this picture?

Niteshift

Besides these SEALS were not on duty, they were on leave.

So? They are still subject to the UCMJ and to military regulations, even on leave.


Whats wrong with this picture?

Nothing. It just seems you feel that you can bully somone, but won't respond to anyone else who isn't prone to sit by and watch your tactics.

JTP

Your right, my last sentence was a personal attack. I thought I edited it out. I write first, then edit. My bad. Sorry.

Now, any person who has ever gotten stoned can testify to the standard effects of marijuana.

You said:

"Also the commission report ordered by nixon back in the 70's found that marijuana use had no ill effect on soldiers ability to do their jobs.

You know when you are stoned and some emergency happens, the adrenaline rush and whatever other chemical reactions occur under stress, pretty much blow the high feeling."

Now that is just wrong. When a nice bowl of bud compells me to watch the entire "Little Green Clean Machine" commercial, I do not believe pot has "no ill effect on soldiers ability to do their jobs". For you to claim otherwise is BS.

I am not getting into this smoking bud to get out of the military, or pretending to be gay to get out of the military stuff. That potato(e) looks a little hot...

Cassius

If you get REALLY stoned, perhaps. But if you get a little stoned, I think he's right -- the high goes away with the adrenaline rush. Haven't you ever smoked, then got caught or got in trouble by someone or anything that would make you a little nervous, and said, "Man that sucks, it killed my buzz."?

 

JTP

Sure, I'll grant that. I mean come on, I have done almost EVERYTHING stoned at one point or another, but that doesn't chnage the FACT that some activities, and jobs, require more presence of mind than others. Pulling watch stoned doesn't sound like a good idea. Neither does firing stoned, driving stoned, flying stoned, blowing things up stoned, giving orders stoned, reporting stoned, etc.

These guys were on leave so much of the above may be moot. However, they may just have had a couple of days off, in which case it would be relavent. Many of these guys are always on 24 hr recall. Nonetheless drug use in the military is prohibited for some very good reasons, IMO.

Medicalman

As much as I like the herb, I have to say that it most certainly does negatively effect combat skills.

First, you have to understand the skills and levels of skills involved, especially with Seals and such. These guys are great shooters. Fast reaction times, good decision making (shoot/no shoot), excellent manual stability and dexterity, etc. It has been repeatedly proven that shooting skills are very perishable. If a Seal goes as little as one week without firing a few hundred rounds, his skills measurably deteriorate. Now he will still be one of the best combat shooters in the world. Way beyond any regular combat troop, but a 1/10th of a second delay in decision making is a big deal in what they do. You can't tell me that cannabis doesn't effect these things. I was a combat soldier, not in the class of Seals, but I could tell the difference in my skills, even the morning after a good buzz.

Most combat skills are a combination of a number of factors. Speed of decision making, manual dexterity, perception of events, memory, timing, etc etc.

Think about it, weed alters perception, memory, mathematical skills, reading skills, complex thinking, complex physical acts, and even vision. How could that not affect a Seal's skills?

These guys often have individual authority to call in airstrikes or artillery, their on-site interpretations of situations can alter troop movements or plans, in many cases, their direct actions can cause or defuse international crisises. Do you want someone out there with a touch of paranoia, or being a little "fuzzy"? I sure don't.

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MS3 Pothead

I served in the Navy as an MS, I was in for about 18 months. Every minute after I was assigned to my ship sucked. I;'m not sure if anyone is familliar with the Filipino Mafia, it's present in every supply division aboard any ship in the fleet. This is especially true with the MS'. I walked into my division to check in and there were 4 of my superiors, all Fillipinos, all speaking Digalich to each other (Which is illigal in the UCMJ). Anyway, to make a long story short, I have a degree in Culinary arts, I ran circles around these jerks for the entire time aboard my ship, and was still passed up for promition 3 times, all to be passed by 3 Fillipinos, so I decided to make more money and work where I didn't have to deal with that bull****. I served 27 days in the brig at Miramar NAVCON Brig, and 3 days bread and water, got a OTH discharge, and couldn't be happier. My discharge has not affected my career in any way.
I feel for these guys, they all seem like they didn't want to get out, I surely did, the Navy sucks, they treat people like **** and the living conditions suck compared to any other branch.

Niteshift

all speaking Digalich to each other (Which is illigal in the UCMJ).

Just to correct that statement: Speaking other than English is not prohibited by the UCMJ. Military REGULATIONS require that OFFICIAL communications between members be in English.

That means 2 guys can chat with each other about a girl, in whatever language they want, while on duty, but they can't engage in official communications in other than English. If they do, it violates a REGULATION. Violating a regulation is an offense under the UCMJ.

It's sort of like a base commander posting a 20 mph speed limit. The UCMJ didn't make speeding illegal, but it does make failing to follow the regulation an offense.