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Niteshift

But we know that it takes more than an hour to arrest someone.

If I issue a notice to appear and release them, that "arrest" takes about 15 mins. If I have to drive them to the jail, my paperwork is still 15 mins, plus my drive time.......all still under an hour if I want it to be.

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gg27

I think Mama's point is more accurate. Niteshift, I would much rather have you & all LEO's somewhere either preventing a rapist from committing a foul crime, stopping a car jacker from taking my car at gun point, (this list could be rather long) or catching these people than wasting your time, even say 30 mins to process a non-violent cannabis arrest.

I think this is the main point. There are a lot of good cops, smart cops, that are spending to much time on a silly crime. Thus it is wasted time and tax dollars making the whole system turn its wheels. The violence that is attached to the drug trade is no different than the violence that was occurring when alcohol was prohibited.

On top of this, the crazy mistakes that occurr like this one: http://www.marijuana.com/420/showthread.php?t=31628 would stop. If this were me & my wife & family were in the house - man. I would craft a 3000 word op-editorial for the papers here about once a month.

Higher logic - No way. The legality of the hard drugs needs to stay stiff. It serves as good deterent. I work in a high stress - highly compensated industry. I've seen several very educated people have their lives crushed by crack & heroine & alcohol. I've never seen marijuana have that effect - never - & I've seen them come & go for 19 years now.

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Niteshift

I think this is the main point. There are a lot of good cops, smart cops, that are spending to much time on a silly crime. Thus it is wasted time and tax dollars making the whole system turn its wheels.

Then the answer is CHANGE the law. But blaming cops over it or suggesting, as some here have, that they just ignore the law, isn't the answer.

iGame3D

We've been working at that for 30 years.
A nationwide police officer's strike over this situation would really help the cause, care to organizae that one.

Niteshift

Many states don't allow police officers, fire fighters or other public safety personnel to strike.

 

Bellatrix

It's interesting to note that the companies that benefit the most from the drug war and the Iraq war also profit from the prison industry. Hallburton builds quite a few prisons, too. How much money do the pharms make when a new group of soldiers needs to be immunized or drug tested? How much money does KBR make when a building in a war zone needs to be rebuilt? I think all of these things are too closely connected for it to be conincidental.

This is very well put, and most definately a main point, but I think we need to focus on the rights of those incarcerated. It is because of the drug war that many innocent civilians end up being assaulted or locked up, and for me this is equally as bad as a cop wasting his time while another, more serious crime, is taking place.

Sorry, but I'm very firmly with Higher Logic on this one. Legalize it all; get it out of the law enforcement field completely and put it back in the medical profession - where it CAME FROM and where it BELONGS. You mentioned alcohol on your list, which is legal, and therefore easier to find and afford treatment for. The rules prohibiting hard drugs may be meant as a deterrent, but they certainly don't work.

The city I live in has given up on this method because it proved to be destructive and useless. Addicts are innocent people who are sick - I don't think someone who gets hooked on morphine during a hospital stay deserves to be branded a criminal, nor does a child forced into drug addiction or prostitution. The current mayor, a former coroner and RCMP officer, was one of the many former and current LEOs that helped implement what we call The Four Pillars Drug Strategy, and it's done more to help curb Vancouver's heroin/crack problem than years of tough enforcement.

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Niteshift

It's interesting to note that the companies that benefit the most from the drug war and the Iraq war also profit from the prison industry. Hallburton builds quite a few prisons, too.

What is "quite a few" to you? 3? 6? 100? If you're going to try to make this link, please be decent enough to be specific.

How much money do the pharms make when a new group of soldiers needs to be immunized or drug tested?

Considering that the process is continuous and the size of our military has remained pretty stable over the past 15 years, I can't see where there is much of an increase.


How much money does KBR make when a building in a war zone needs to be rebuilt?

Let's ask the other half of the question: What other company is willing and ABLE to perform that job?

I think all of these things are too closely connected for it to be conincidental.

3 points. 1 incredibly vague. The second, incredibly vague and not really logical. The third.......back to the "Halliburton is evil" canard.

Not exactly compelling.

Niteshift

On their website, I see 2 prisons built.

1 was COMPLETED back in 1998, the other COMPLETED in 1999. Both in Virginia.

Wow. 2 prisons, the most recent of which was 5 years ago.

Yeah, they are neck deep in prison building, aren't they.