Go Back   Marijuana.com > News > The Drug War Headline News
Register FAQ Gaming VB Image Host Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 12-02-2004, 09:20 AM   #1
Buzzby
Buddhist Curmudgeon
 
Buzzby's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,171
Grams: 42,651.69
Groans: 33
Groaned at 42 Times in 35 Posts
Buzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputation
Thanks: 486
Thanked 3,513 Times in 1,780 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default GBR: Cannabis Doubles Risk Of Psychosis

Cannabis Doubles Risk Of Psychosis For Some Smokers
Nigel Hawkes | Times Online | 12/01/2004

(BuzzNote: Keep this in mind: Correlation is not Causation.)

Cannabis use once or twice a week almost doubles the risk of suffering psychotic symptoms in later life, a study has found.

More frequent use further increased the risk of symptoms such as hallucinations, hearing voices and paranoid thoughts. People with a family history of psychosis or mental illness were at the greatest risk of all.

(BuzzNote: I'm hearing a voice right now. It's telling me to "Raise bullsh*t shields!")

The latest research, published in BMJ.com backs up earlier studies that have linked cannabis to schizophrenia, delusions and other mental illness.

Professor Jim van Os and a team at the Maastricht University in the Netherlands studied 2,437 young people aged 14 to 24, asking them subtle questions to determine whether they were vulnerable to psychosis.

After four years they were questioned again and asked about their use of cannabis.

Professor van Os said: "The results showed in the group without vulnerability there was a small increase in risk of psychosis.

"But this risk was four times bigger in those who had a vulnerability for psychosis. This is a group that is particularly susceptible."

(BuzzNote: What a surprise! People with a predisposition towards psychosis are more likely to become psychotic than those who lack that vulnerability. I would never have guessed! )

He said that among those who were not predisposed to psychosis and did not use cannabis, 15 per cent suffered some psychotic symptoms. But 21 per cent of those who had ever used cannabis suffered such symptoms.

But the difference was most striking in those who were already vulnerable to psychotic symptoms. In this group, 26 per cent of those who did not use cannabis suffered symptoms, but for those who used cannabis it increased to 51 per cent.

(BuzzNote: See highlighted section below.)

"There is a public health message here because it is going to be difficult to tell the whole population to stop using cannabis," he said.

"But it may be better to say that if you have a family history of mental instability you are particularly at risk of the negative effects of cannabis use."

One possible explanation of the findings might be that people who are prone to psychosis are more likely to experiment with cannabis, perhaps in order to combat the symptoms. But the team eliminated this by finding that a predisposition to psychosis did not significantly predict cannabis use during the four years.

(BuzzNote: Could it be that some people who are predisposed to mental illness use pot as self-medication and some don't? Perhaps the ones with the greatest predisposition, who are most in need of some sort of treatment?)

Cannabis was downgraded from a class B to class C drug in the UK in January, meaning that in most cases those found carrying the drug will not be arrested.

Last week figures showed that two in five 15-year-olds in the UK have tried cannabis - more than anywhere else in Europe.

(BuzzNote: The study doesn't seem to be available on the internet as of yet, but nothing I've read in this description of it inclines me to believe that there is a causal relationship between Marijuana use and psychosis. More psychotic people wear aluminum foil hats than the rest of the population. Does this infer that aluminum foil causes psychosis?)
__________________
McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time.
Do we really want four more years of the same old shit?

~ Buzzby, 08/31/2008

Buzzby is online now Award Buzzby Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Marijuana.com Sponsor
Advertisement
 
Old 12-02-2004, 09:51 AM   #2
Herb Ninja
Seasoned Activist
 
Herb Ninja's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,438
Grams: 3,085.55
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Herb Ninja can see the Karmic Tunnel of Life
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzby
(BuzzNote: I'm hearing a voice right now. It's telling me to "Raise bullsh*t shields!")
Amen! Ohh look, i'm laughing, it must be my cannabis use earlier this week making me go crrrraazzy. Peace, HN-
__________________
Ron Paul for the Long Haul
Herb Ninja is offline Award Herb Ninja Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2004, 11:39 AM   #3
solutions
Seasoned Activist
 
solutions's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 981
Grams: 2,591.45
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
solutions has begun their Karma Journey
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

Here's the cited study (pdf).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Times Online
"There is a public health message here because it is going to be difficult to tell the whole population to stop using cannabis," he said.

"But it may be better to say that if you have a family history of mental instability you are particularly at risk of the negative effects of cannabis use."
Isn't it funny how the hysteria always seems to gets the most attention?

A part from today's The Guardian shows the quotes Times Online uses to describe the opinions of the authors of the study is incomplete, AT BEST:

Quote:
[...]Cannabis may be a harmless recreational drug for most of its users and has medicinal benefits for others, but the study will add fuel to the debate on its legalisation.

One of the authors of the study, carried out by researchers from the Netherlands, said that although cannabis triggered psychosis in a minority of people, this was a good reason to legalise it, not ban it, so that government can promote advice and information, as it does on alcohol.

Jim van Os, a professor in the department of psychiatry and neuropsychology at Maastricht University in the Netherlands, where cannabis is legal, said a ban would be hard. "It is going to be very difficult to tell the whole Dutch population to stop using cannabis because it is bad and you will develop psychotic illness. But perhaps it is better to say if you have a family history or mental instability you are perhaps particularly at risk of negative consequences of cannabis use.

"The way to get the message across is for young people to talk about the issues and have more social control among themselves, rather than the big brother approach."

Zerrin Atakan, honorary senior lecturer at the national psychosis unit of the Institute of Psychiatry and a speaker at today's conference, said cannabis had medicinal uses and, like alcohol, was not a problem in moderation. She pointed to the different effect on the brain of the two compounds it contained - tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD). Cannabis high in THC was stronger and potentially more dangerous, while CBD might be responsible for its beneficial effects.

"I personally believe it should be legalised so it is tightly regulated and it says on the packet how much THC is in it," she said. "At the moment it is worse because people think it is legalised and there is confusion and it is in the hands of the dealers. That is not a good situation."

The study, published in the online version of the British Medical Journal, followed 2,437 young people living in Munich, Germany.

All had a psychiatric assessment at the start of the study, to identify those who might be vulnerable to psychosis. Four years later, they were asked about their cannabis use and their mental health was assessed again. Regular users of cannabis who had been identified as vulnerable to psychosis were much more likely to become psychotic than those who were neither.

Robin Murray, professor of psychiatry at the Institute of Psychiatry, London, said there were still many unanswered questions, such as: "If half the world smokes cannabis, why aren't they all psychotic?"
Now wouldn't it be nice when people, say reporters, politicians and such, would include the conclusions of the authors about the desirability of legalisation of cannabis, beside the medical conclusion of the study?
__________________
3 monkeys sitting under a coconut tree
discussing things as they are set to be
Said one to the other, now listen you two

there's a strange rumor that can't be true
they say man was descended from our noble race

but the very idea is a big disgrace
no monkey ever deserted his wife
or her baby to ruin their lives.

Damian Marley - Educated Fools
solutions is offline Award solutions Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2004, 02:18 PM
smokebud4life
This message has been deleted by .
Old 12-02-2004, 03:44 PM   #4
Bluee
Jr. Member
 

Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 109
Grams: 1,413.30
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Bluee has begun their Karma Journey
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

Reefer MaAdDnEeSsssssss
__________________
Pessimism is being content when things go bad, while enjoying life when proven wrong.
Bluee is offline Award Bluee Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2004, 04:02 PM   #5
VladTheInhaler
New Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 24
Grams: 675.75
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
VladTheInhaler has begun their Karma Journey
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default Wtf

Where did you find this crap. UHOH you hear that its says Bullsh*t
__________________
The Blood Of The Marijuana Is The Blood Of Mine.
VladTheInhaler is offline Award VladTheInhaler Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Marijuana.com Sponsor
Advertisement
 
Old 12-02-2004, 04:11 PM   #6
Plainsman1963
Advisor
 
Plainsman1963's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,281
Groans: 28
Groaned at 7 Times in 7 Posts
Plainsman1963 Suffers From ReputationitisPlainsman1963 Suffers From ReputationitisPlainsman1963 Suffers From ReputationitisPlainsman1963 Suffers From ReputationitisPlainsman1963 Suffers From ReputationitisPlainsman1963 Suffers From ReputationitisPlainsman1963 Suffers From ReputationitisPlainsman1963 Suffers From ReputationitisPlainsman1963 Suffers From ReputationitisPlainsman1963 Suffers From ReputationitisPlainsman1963 Suffers From Reputationitis
Thanks: 545
Thanked 1,196 Times in 608 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: -1.000%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VladTheInhaler
Where did you find this crap. UHOH you hear that its says Bullsh*t
I understand the general sentiment, but was it meant to be rhetorical?

The source is right on top of the article:
Timesonline
__________________


"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." - Claire Wolfe

Posting Guidelines
Plainsman1963 is offline Award Plainsman1963 Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2004, 07:55 PM   #7
solutions
Seasoned Activist
 
solutions's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 981
Grams: 2,591.45
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
solutions has begun their Karma Journey
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

I put in my source as well, if that was the question, because I was.

Quote:
Originally Posted by solutions
A part from today's The Guardian shows the quotes Times Online uses to describe the opinions of the authors of the study is incomplete, AT BEST:
see?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluee
Reefer MaAdDnEeSsssssss
On second thought, you get a +k.

It's true you know, peace
solutions is offline Award solutions Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2004, 09:25 PM   #8
iGame3D
Activist
 

Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 265
Grams: 1,861.50
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
iGame3D has begun their Karma Journey
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

I checked out several of these articles, and came to the conclusion that you are 15% to 25% likely to develop psychosis between the ages of 14 to 28 wether or not you smoke pot.

This I gather from the findings that 16% of the 2,450 people studied, with no predisposition to psychosis, and no pot smoking..developed psychotic symptoms. 21% the non-predisposed group (the pot smokers) developed symptoms.

Also these articles focus on England, but the study was conducted in Germany, where the legal drinking age is low (alcohol increases risk of psychosis far greater than weed). What is the general percentage of Britians who go off their nut without drugs? Britian is the number one prescriber of anti-depressants to children, so their population is already becoming anti-psychotic drug dependant.

These articles are pure propaganda, the body text hardly supports the headlines.
iGame3D is offline Award iGame3D Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2004, 10:51 PM   #9
Buzzby
Buddhist Curmudgeon
 
Buzzby's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,171
Grams: 42,651.69
Groans: 33
Groaned at 42 Times in 35 Posts
Buzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputationBuzzby has entirely too much reputation
Thanks: 486
Thanked 3,513 Times in 1,780 Posts

Stock Portfolio
Total Value: 0.000
Gain/Loss: 0.000%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by iGame3D
I checked out several of these articles, and came to the conclusion that you are 15% to 25% likely to develop psychosis between the ages of 14 to 28 wether or not you smoke pot.

This I gather from the findings that 16% of the 2,450 people studied, with no predisposition to psychosis, and no pot smoking..developed psychotic symptoms. 21% the non-predisposed group (the pot smokers) developed symptoms.
I would conclude that "mental health professionals" don't have a very precise method of predicting who is susceptible to psychosis and who is not. It would also appear that cannabis use is a better predictor of the later development of psychosis than their current methods. When people develop psychoses it doesn't drop down from the sky one morning. They feel that there's "something wrong" long before and do what they can to relieve their discomfort.
Buzzby is online now Award Buzzby Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2004, 10:52 PM   #10
Unregistered
 

Posts: n/a
Grams: 0 [Check]

Stock Portfolio
Total Value:
Gain/Loss: %
Default

Not that I support this article at all, but my symptoms of obsessive compulsive disorder intensify greatly when I smoke marijuana. Marijuana is not the cause of it, it merely makes it worse sometimes.
Award Unregistered Grams  
Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Marijuana.com Sponsor
Advertisement
 
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 06:06 AM.


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52