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Old 04-29-2005, 04:45 PM   #11
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Certainly the church isn't against it but they aren't blazing saddles for it either, but I think compassionate use falls in to acceptable use category under church law, which can be a different standard than what the country's law is that they are operating in.
The majority of churches are against it. While compassion for the sick and dying ought to be a reason for churches to support medical marijuana, most are in the reefer madness camp.

"Do you want to see your son, your daughter fall into the pit of vile pleasures of the flesh? I should say not! From the first innocent puff on a marijuana cigarette, your children are starting down the long dark path of sin and degradation! We got trouble, right here in River City..."
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Old 04-29-2005, 07:28 PM   #12
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What I'm reading sometimes makes the scene out to be something like spillage from a Grateful Dead show, or even worse, resembling a cannabis cafe party atmosphere in Amsterdam or British Columbia. (One account I read emphasized a large amount of people parking their cars illegally and men publicly urinating outside of the dispensary as if they were also drunk on alcohol or as if they had just left a bar.)

I certainly wouldn't expect a party type of atmosphere in the areas around medical marijuana dispensaries, or inside of them. I would expect it to be a serious attitude with people serious about healing!
Come on...If we were to open up a morphine cafe and only sick people were allowed in, then we'd see similar behaviour IMO. I think that if patients require medical marijuana, they should be administered it in a hospital, or get some employment happening(not sure of economic situation in US, though...) and hire nurses to deliver & administer medical marijuana to patients(preferably by cookies, so that all neighbours see is a nurse arriving every day with a bag of food and leaving with an empty bag, rather than smelling weed).

Of course, legalisation of marijuana would be preferred, but i care for the sick and dying, so if these restrictions have to be put into place for medical patients to recieve their medical marijuana, i am all for it. Recreational Marijuana users who abuse the Medicinal system should be ashamed of themselves. They are threatening the licenses of these clubs and hence the quality of lives of the sick and dying. Even if these rec MJ users who abuse the medicinal system dont care for the sick and dying, just remember this: If the abuse of the law continues, medicinal marijuana will be outlawed, taking a backwards step in the eventual legalisation of all drugs.
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Old 04-29-2005, 07:30 PM   #13
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The majority of churches are against it. While compassion for the sick and dying ought to be a reason for churches to support medical marijuana, most are in the reefer madness camp.

"Do you want to see your son, your daughter fall into the pit of vile pleasures of the flesh? I should say not! From the first innocent puff on a marijuana cigarette, your children are starting down the long dark path of sin and degradation! We got trouble, right here in River City..."
Throw this one back at 'em:
Genesis 1:12: "I have given you all the seed-barring plants and herbs to use "

..not sure if this is the KJV or the talmud or something else but nonetheless its a pretty cool quote, possibly from the mouth of the one we call g-d
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Old 04-29-2005, 10:38 PM   #14
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Genesis 1:12: "I have given you all the seed-barring plants and herbs to use"..not sure if this is the KJV or the talmud or something else but nonetheless its a pretty cool quote, possibly from the mouth of the one we call g-d
Have you seen Pharmacratic Inquisition yet? Go to http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition..../pharmacratic/ and watch as much as the video as you can. Seems like all drug plants that are now illegal were once used ritually in some manner and helped to found some of the world's major religions. Cannabis was most likely there at the beginning of all the major world religions and mushrooms seem to date back even further.

It's just hard hitting to see it all presented in one movie.. lots of evidence.

Anyone have any good movie documentaries in English to recommend about how cannabis may have been used ritually over history?
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Old 04-29-2005, 11:12 PM   #15
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Come on...If we were to open up a morphine cafe and only sick people were allowed in, then we'd see similar behaviour IMO.
Cannabis effects similar to morphine...? I would think people on morphine would be a lot more whacked out and incapacitated than someone on the effects of cannabis! I don't think there's a comparison there, the two drugs are in totally different leagues! Don't you think so? I mean, I've read that some cannabis cafes have the atmosphere of a casual library. Like that one in B.C. that ejects people drunk on alcohol. I loved reading about that.



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If the abuse of the law continues, medicinal marijuana will be outlawed, taking a backwards step in the eventual legalisation of all drugs.
I don't think being in favor of legalizing all drugs is a good opinion to have if you want medical or recreational marijuana to be un-outlawed. It seems counter-productive in the current atmosphere. I can't see why people would want harder drugs if they could have a choice to buy any one of the vastly different varieties of marijuanas in the world and have it all the time. I really think marijuana is different from the other illegalized substances. It is in a class by itself as far as how safe it can be to use in the right conditions and its effects. I think the American public is aware of that.
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Old 04-30-2005, 01:44 AM   #16
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I own and run one of the largest hempshops in the world and I have been in realestaste since i was 6! building with my dad to running 60 suite units in downtown slums and the're lying why? alcohol is a duretic IT MAKES YOU PEE pot does not. DRUNKS PEE i see it in the cameras all the time. In 5 years at this hempshop ALL PEEING in my back alley has been drunks late at night homeless drunks in the early morning and 99.99% of the 50,000 (yes thats fifty thuosand) people that walk though my 18+ only door wouldn't dream of peeing near the coolest store in town even IF we actully sold pot?>?
(we dont and I know,a lot do,even heard of some getting busted for crak,thats wack)
i still dont see them peeing in my back alley even the crak heads never seem to need to pee?I think they sweat and get dehydrated, they never eat enuogh let alone drink enuogh fuilds. gve up cable long ago the backalley channel is way better }:>
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I don't think being in favor of legalizing all drugs is a good opinion to have if you want medical or recreational marijuana to be un-outlawed. It seems counter-productive in the current atmosphere. I can't see why people would want harder drugs if they could have a choice to buy any one of the vastly different varieties of marijuanas in the world and have it all the time. I really think marijuana is different from the other illegalized substances. It is in a class by itself as far as how safe it can be to use in the right conditions and its effects. I think the American public is aware of that.
I agree...drugs other than mj are fairly dangerous. But these substances would be safer when legal(ud know what u wer taking).

Anyways, even if these drugs are dangerous either way, it's all about choice.
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I don't think being in favor of legalizing all drugs is a good opinion to have if you want medical or recreational marijuana to be un-outlawed. It seems counter-productive in the current atmosphere. I can't see why people would want harder drugs if they could have a choice to buy any one of the vastly different varieties of marijuanas in the world and have it all the time.
"I can't see why people would want to use marijuana when you can buy beer and wine at every corner store."

One man's meat is another man's poison. It's all a matter of individual freedom and choice.

I believe that any kind of prohibition is an infringement on personal freedom. What adults want to put into their bodies is their own business. I don't talk about this when I'm debating the prohibition of recreational marijuana because it makes the issue more complicated. When I'm debating the prohibition of medical marijuana I don't mention my attitude towards recreational marijuana. Again, it adds unnecessary complications to the discussion.

Prohibitionists believe that alcohol is OK and tobacco is OK. Those are the drugs they use, so they must be OK. I have no desire to use any illegal drug other than marijuana, but I don't want to be a hypocrite like they are, banning the drugs which they don't personally use.
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