Marijuana.com

king cola

I think it was Harry, son of prince charles who also drank and smoked pot, was put in rehab/counseling, he didn't go out and commit suicide.

Their son isn't dead because of marijuana, hes dead because he had a lot psycological problems. Even the drug czar john walters will never admit to the public that marijuana was used in the 1700s to treat people who were depressed or insane. Now in our society, just because someone is depressed and uses marijuana, they blame the marijuana for the depression I bet he had a lot of problems before smoking pot. If anything pot makes me calm, as for alcohol, that's a depressant, everyone knows that. He had alcohol in his system when he died and the parents are still yelling and saying, IT WAS MARIJUANA THAT MADE HIM DO THIS! It never mentions of them finding the pot in his system, then the parents are claiming someone admitted to giving him pot.

I agree that anyone whos 14 shouldn't be drinking or smoking. A lot of parents re act different to this. I didn't try pot til i was 16. I first started drinking when i was maybe 15. My parents didn't react to the drinking only because they did the samething when they were our age but my mom still didn't like it too much. If anything one year i came home from a party, think i was 16 at the time, i was drunk, went in my room and layed down on the floor, was too dizzy to lay down in my bed, my lesson for that from my father was, "that's what you people get when you want to drink". They could have tried to keep me or my sister home on weekends because they knew once we left the house it was up to us to use our best judgement. Just because i got drunk sometimes they still didn't accuse me of having a drinking problem which i can say i didn't have. I'm of age now and if anything don't really go out and drink too much.

I've seen more people who were already mad about something or had a problem, go out and drink alcohol and become depressed. They just try to drink their problems away. My friend's father died one year, we took him out to cheer him up, one of my friends smoked some pot with him, he didn't want to kill himself after that, also want to mention he didn't even wanna kill himself before doing that either. He would smoke pot often too. I still see him around sometimes, still the same person he always was.

If this person was on some pharmacutical drug for depression and killed himself anyway, i bet they wouldn't blame the FDA approved drug! Someone uses marijuana to treat depression and they blame that drug for the person being depressed.

I also have a book on natural cures, if anything they critize these psychiatrists and just say they actually make the problem worse. I really don't know if that's even true or not and i'm not going to say if i think it's true but sometimes i wonder about that myself. I mean they went for help and did they even get help, the kid killed himself anyway. The parents don't want to look any further than marijuana, i don't give a sh*t what they say, they are only siding with Walters because him and them both have something they hate, MARIJUANA.

If alcohol was still illegal, they would be blaming that because he had it in his system when he died.

Drug czars are a joke, where the hells Walters when people die from FDA approved drugs? He kisses their asses, in my opinon some of these pharmacutical drugs are a bigger danger than marijuana will ever be. The drug companies killed 100,000 people, and here it is we have 2 parents pissed off because they claim pot just made their kid commit suicide when theres millions of Americans as well as other people world wide who smoke it and love their life. I have sympathy for the kids parents, but blaming a plant, counselors don't help much either. My mom knows a counselor, always tells people, well marijuana will make people un motivated, depressed, all this other sh*t.

Maybe some people become more depressed just having to see a counselor, but i wouldn't know, i never had to go to one. To some people they are probably ashamed they even have to see one because they probably don't see it as a common thing. I just say this because people go to a counselor and tell someone they don't know their problems. I doubt every person who sees a counselor who they don't even know is going to be 100% straight forward with what they want to know. I don't mean any disrespect if anyone here is a counselor though. In my opinion if people want to fix things they need to confront the problem themself. You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. The kid probably figured he was only going there because his parents were making him, if that's how he felt about it, that more than likely wasn't going to solve anything. I think the problems were between him and his parents and maybe some other things. I doubt he sat down and talked to them about his problems. Instead he sat down with a counselor and probably didn't say much at all, but who knows. The counselor may have told the parents that marijuana was part of him being depressed too and not just Walters but either way i say it's bullsh*t.

They caught him with pot once and right away sent him to get help, seems like taking the easy way out and saying they don't have time to talk to their kid, that could have been a problem with the family right there, maybe they never discussed anything.

I'm 21 and am not a parent, but i do know plenty of people who have been caught with pot by their parents or caught just stoned, they didn't over react and say your getting help, it might not even do much but they were grounded from going out of the house for a few weekends. There is one kid i knew though whos parents found some pot in his room and then made him go for a drug test. We had a good laugh about that because it was in his possession, more than likely he was smoking it so we figured it was a waste of the parents money just to have a doctor say he smoked it.

One of my friends, his mom was strict about drinking because her niece died being in the car with a drunk driver, when he was under age, she caught him drinking, caught him with pot, had a big talk with him but didn't say ok i'm sending you for help right away. His dad was a veteran though who smokes a little pot so maybe that helped the situation a little. Now that hes older his mom is more layed back about what he does. If he wants to drink he will, if he wants to smoke some pot he will and she just stays out of it. He just turned 21 not too long ago but i guess it's the whole idea of people doing that stuff at a young age where some parents flip out. Everyone is raised and lectured different so for some of us we forget that not everyones parents did any of that when they were younger so they don't know how to handle the situation but giving up on your own kid right away isn't doing anything.

Ever since the topic for medical marijuana use has been talked about more, i started seeing a lot more propaganda commercials on just marijuana alone and no other drugs. They focused more on turning the public to be against the use of pot and again, it's the "CHILDREN" slogan. One way or another, someone happend to smoke pot and commited suicide, i mean that was one death, it's sad but it was just one person. I have plenty of friends who smoked more pot than i ever have, they are smart, they don't appear to be depressed and have smoked pot for probably 7 years and still like to be alive.

It's like the show jackass, some stunts the kids didn't copy and did their own stupid thing but the parents blamed the show for what their kids went out and did and got hurt, something always gets blamed to cover up for bad parenting and joe lieberman was all over that Some of these people were 16 or older and they can't figure out what the words, don't try this at home means.

 

StewScum

True, but with most people, depressing occurs when things are wrong in their homelife, including parenting, stress, drugs, whatever. The article doesn't say much about their homelife, or their parenting skills. All it said is their son was sent to counseling shortly after being discovered smoking marijuana. I can understand the parents concern for their son, and their reaction to him using drugs and alcohol. They wanted their son to feel better. The fault lies with the counselor, who attributed the kids depression to marijuana, and john walters, who used a thin story about a so called "drug related suicide", to push his his administations failing propaganda. This is an act of desperation on his part, and it's pretty sick to use a teens death as a martre for his cause.

I feel truly sorry for the parents of that kid for a number of reasons, and i really doubt that they completly blame their sons problems on drugs. If thats the case, they may have been the cause of their sons problems.

__________________
Life is like a pot of stew, if you don't stir it up every once and a while, all the scum rises to the top -Still Life with Woodpecker by Tom Robbins.

Buzzby

http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/...2_20050506.htm

It was on the ballot in Alaska last fall and will probably be again for the next general election.

__________________

reggie_the_dog

16 is the legal tobacco smoking and alcohol drinking age here in France, in Canada a government panel recently recommended legalizing cannabis for everyone 16 and older. In many places in outside of the USA alcohol and cannabis use among teens is considered normal teenage behaviour. Suicidal thoughts are a bit less common, but most of the studies i have read in the French press suggest that teens USE ALCOHOL OR DRUGS HEAVILY TO TRY TO ESCAPE FROM PREEXISTING DEPRESSION/OTHER MENTAL DISORDERS.

fight4rights

Many, many teens use drugs and alcohol before it is legal for them. everyone knows it too. i believe it is something like 90% of high school seniors have tried alcohol. In one of my classes today a teacher was talking to a 17 year old student about which beer tastes the best. it is common knowledge that teens use drugs everywhere

the difference is that here people in power believe that by making laws they will magically stop all drug use.

__________________
"Those who do no harm to others should not be harmed by others..." Ethan Nadelmann
"Revolution is not a right, it is an obligation." John Locke
"Do SOMETHING besides argue emotions against the law, because it simply isn't a rational way to affect any type of change whatsoever. No offense intended, but your opinion on things is a moot point unless you take actions to change the law, rather than ramble about how unfair or injust it is." troublemaker_42
"'Just say no' to drugs, except those marketed by big pharmaceutical companies." Ignorant Politicians

 

Greenbud

Marijuana does not cause depression. If that were the case, then I should be on the verge of suicide (which of course I am as far from it as I could be). If anything, I find that cannabis relaxes me and helps clear the depression-inducing stress that sometimes tends to overwhelm me due to my current job/financial dilemmas.

When I was on antidepressants for diagnosed clinical depression I did not smoke pot. I hadn't smoked it in nearly 10 years prior to the diagnosis. Under treatment with these antidepressants, I attempted suicide twice and wound up in the emergency room with a counselor. Had I ever attempted suicide when I smoked pot? Never.

Did weed make me depressed? Obviously not. When I re-discovered weed 5 years ago, I realized that the natural weed made a much more desirable alternative to taking those vile synthetic poisons. I have been free of pharmaceuticals for 5 years and have never felt happier and more emotionally stable in my entire life. Not to mention it keeps my glaucoma and IBD in check too

Cannabis does not cause mental disorders. Sometimes it's actually the cure.

Great to be back at marijuana.com.

__________________
"I believe in the near future, the government will use anti-drug hysteria to set up a police state."
-author William S. Burroughs, 1947

Community Posting Guidelines | Front Page Article Submission Guidelines

Buzzby

Marijuana didn't cause your depression. That's not to say that it doesn't cause or contribute to depression in some people. One person's experience doesn't amount to scientific proof.


And, yet, antidepressants help many people with depression. I'm one. I probably wouldn't be alive today without them. I get tired of marijuana advocates claiming that marijuana is good for everything and all pharmaceuticals are demonic creations. This is not different from the ideas prohibitionists promote about marijuana. Nothing is all good. Nothing is all bad.

People who throw out their meds in favor of smoking marijuana are asking for trouble and even death. I wouldn't want to be the one who encouraged them to do so.

Greenbud

I never said it was scientific proof. I am merely stating my experience with it.



You are probably taking a newer med than I was. The particular <off-topic> antidepressant I was on is now know to cause suicidal tendencies in some of the people who are on it. There's a good chance that the reason I'm alive today is that I'm no longer taking it.

Oh, and the cause of my depression turned out to be a reaction to another legal, mass prescribed <off-topic> pharmaceutical I was taking for maintanence of another medical condition.


Notice I am not demonizing all pharmaceuticals. There are many medications that have saved countless lives and prevented much suffering. Thankfully, I am not in the position to have to rely on them at this point in my life. But there are some that aren't so great and can be downright addictive and toxic, yet these very substances are prescribed legally all over our country while marijuana is still prohibited.

Neither am I saying that marijuana is good for everything (snake oil). Marijuana was used as medicine for thousands of years before other, modern drugs took it's place. The conditions I have happen to be controlled very well by cannabis. It works for me. Besides, I am not advocating that everyone throw out their meds and pick up a bong, either. The same meds that work badly for me may be a godsend for someone else. And vice-versa.

But back to the article:
Everyone knows I'm no fan of Johnny Boy Walters. As usual for him, there's far too many holes in this story for it to hold water. Did the coroner's report say that the boy had cannabis in his system? I only read where they found alcohol. Are we only to go off of the parents' assumption that he had smoked weed prior to his suicide? Someone "claimed" to have seen him smoke a few days before, but again, was cannabis found in his system? From what I understand, he had been given regular drug tests, which I assume came back negative, which means he had not been smoking. It was determined that he was depressed, but again, evidence seems to show that he had not been smoking. Yet there was the alcohol, a depressant. And the kid was 14, an underage drinker. Where is Walters' outrage that this 14 year old boy was drinking alcohol? Why is there nothing in this story that demonizes alcohol consumption by children?

I just don't see where cannabis caused this boy's depression and consequent suicide. It's just like Walters to go jumping at shadows to further his war against marijuana.