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Cassius

Okay, yeah, -1 reading comprehension point for me. I guess he did arm himself.

I guess watching Training Day too many times made me think the cops could have just said that he fled to the bedroom and armed himself BEFORE they shot him.

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Niteshift

I would blame it.

If you did, you'd be wrong.

The PA has NOTHING to do with this. It wasn't used. There is no databse that contains the info Cassius was referring to for them to access. It was SPECULATION on his part and his speculation turned out to be wrong in the absence of a database for them to look at, patriot act or not.

Understand?

I guess watching Training Day too many times made me think the cops could have just said that he fled to the bedroom and armed himself BEFORE they shot him.

I hate that movie. And I think it's a shame that Denzel finally got an Oscar for that piece of crap when he had a much more powerful performance in John Q.

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Cassius

Niteshift is right, I was speculating. My speculation was wrong because that information is public record anyway, so no Patriot Act was necessary. However, if it had been necessary, I'm sure the Patriot Act would have assisted them in obtaining the information they needed.

Of course, we don't even know if the guy HAD a concealed weapons permit. =D

So, Mr. Emery, you want to go to jail or you wanna go home?

BC.Buddy

Sure, but I still don't like the Patriot Act, whether it applies to this situation or not. In the interests of keeping America safe from terrorists, it's a dandy idea. In the interests of keeping faith with the concept that made America, it's pathetic. I hear what you're saying though, it wasn't applied to this scenario.

Really? I liked Training day. I imagine it would somewhat be an affront to LEOs, perhaps that's why you don't like it? Perhaps not. Either way, I think Denzel had a spectacular performance in it. John Q. kicked ass.

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When the cops send in their Swat teams during a raid (correct me Niteshift if I'm wrong) it has been planned out thoroughly. And you can bet a large number of those cops were yelling things like "POLICE...GET ON THE FLOOR...GET DOWN....GET YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM!!!". When you jump up and go running out of the room, the cops have two thoughts running through their heads.....Is he going for a weapon? and Is he going to attempt to destroy evidence?
When the cops enter your house (for whatever reason) and their guns are drawn and they mean business, YOU need to do whatever they say. If you jump up and run for a room where they believe you have weapons stored at, then basically you have taken your life in your hands.
Now we all are about law and order here, and the cops have the right to protect themselves (am I right?)
Being shot ten times and getting killed seems to bother some people here at this forum. Would you have prefered that he had only been shot once and then died?
There are times when you do something really stupid (like this guy did) and you forfeit your life. Yes....it sucks. But that's why god gave us a brain and some common sense. He didn't use either one and now he's dead.

 

Mamabudz

No o ne is speculating -- it's in the first article:

Knowledge of if a person has a weapon is something the police would check out so they can be properly prepared by wearing the proper protective gear and have sufficient back up.

The neighbors who were out and about did not hear the "announcement" but did hear the crash of the door being opened. By the way, it's not strange for folks to be out that early here in South FL -- it get's hot quickly and many folks start their day before the sun has even come up to do their morning exercise or stroll or walk their dogs.

As I mentioned, this is a case that should be watched.

Let's not go off the deep end with claims of Patriot Act et al. It was a Drug Bust...And in my opinion it was handled poorly -- no one should die for 2 oz of pot.

There will be more to the story, let's not get carried away on specualtion -- let's wait for the evidence to come forth.

Niteshift

Sure, but I still don't like the Patriot Act, whether it applies to this situation or not.

In case you haven't bothered to read elsewhere, there are parts of the PA that I'm not real happy with either. But it simply isn't a factor in this incident at all and is really an off topic discussion.

Really? I liked Training day. I imagine it would somewhat be an affront to LEOs, perhaps that's why you don't like it? Perhaps not. Either way, I think Denzel had a spectacular performance in it. John Q. kicked ass.

I don't mind movies/shows that make cops look bad etc. Hell, I love The Shield and those guys are all corrupt. I like movies that poke fun, like Super Troopers etc. It's not about my profession, it's that I thought the movie sucked. And John Q was a Waaaaay better performance in terms of acting. I FELT so much for that character.

And you can bet a large number of those cops were yelling things like "POLICE...GET ON THE FLOOR...GET DOWN....GET YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM!!!". When you jump up and go running out of the room, the cops have two thoughts running through their heads.....Is he going for a weapon? and Is he going to attempt to destroy evidence?

I'd say that is a fair statement. Not to mention that they will probably have the words POLICE, SHERIFF etc. displayed all over their gear.


Being shot ten times and getting killed seems to bother some people here at this forum. Would you have prefered that he had only been shot once and then died?

At least 2 cops fired on him. Most training now teaches to shoot until the target goes down. This fire once and look crap is dangerous. I came up in the double tap era and that stuff is pretty much out the window too. There are too many thugs out there with access to body armor etc. You fire until the threat goes down and ceases to be a threat any longer.


Knowledge of if a person has a weapon is something the police would check out so they can be properly prepared by wearing the proper protective gear and have sufficient back up.

Having a concealed weapons license does not tell the police that you own a gun. It gives us an indication that you do, but it is not an established fact.

The part I quoted talked of gun permit. I aksed who conducts such a registration. If it is happening, it is illegal and I will contact the proper people who will file suit against an agency that is conducting such registrations.

So I ask again.........is there such a thing and if so, who is doing it? Or did you perhaps simply misspeak?

chonla

rainbow farms was werre they held hempfest and roach roast for many many years in southern michigan until the narcs got a bug up thier butt to have thier funding increased so they stormed the place and like here when they left everyone was dead and as an added bonus most of the buildings were burned to the ground over a freaking weed that has grown wild everywhere in the world since the dawn of all mankind and wich was legal in this country for 160 years beforea abject rascist soviet got a cushy goverment job after giving a lewinsky to the right people in the 1930's

rainbow farms info http://user.aol.com/station019/farmend.htm


http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chroni.../rainbow.shtml

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Buzzby

Let's see if I understand this. The owners of rainbow farm conducted illegal activities there. They burned down their own buildings to avoid having them appropriated, completely legally, by the state. They threatened that any attempt to arrest them would be met with "fire and blood". All the attendees of a festival were not killed, just the two owners who refused to surrender to a valid arrest warrant.

Why, exactly, am I supposed to feel sympathy for people who, essentially, committed suicide by police?

Why do people keep expecting that the police won't enforce the law? That's incredibly stupid.

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king cola

What about using bean bag shells fired from a shotgun? From what i saw of those being tested they are capable of stunning someone pretty good. I'm gonna assume the flash the neighbors saw was that of a flash grenade but i could be wrong. If there was no yelling and they just kicked the door in, especially for this guy bein a drug dealer, it's either the cops or some people out to kill him. If they don't say who they are before busting down your door, sometimes a home invasion is possible too. Did they say who they were is the key to it! It was either the swats fault or his fault or both their fault. If you know it's cops you need to cooperate, don't do anything stupid like put your hands in your pockets or go running to another room, either way your screwed and should just give up.

According to my old law teacher, a person is supposed to have somethin like 15 or 30 seconds to open the door after the cops knock and say who they are and mention the warrant before they could break it down, i know it was one of the two.