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BC.Buddy

Buzzby, I already said that it is a clear difference of opinion. But don't sit there and say it's a worse system... blah blah blah, just because you think the legal system should be fully enforced.

Also, here's a bit of your own medicine;

You stated that the legal system is not respected as much with a tolerant enforcement policy. You stated it as fact, did you not? You did not say I think that it would be respected less.

So, can you prove that your system is more "respected" than mine?

And you're right, I do not speak for all Canadians, and I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, that completely agree with Buzzby's side.

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narc emery

Much benediction Buzz...let me aggrandize and reiterate:
The most powerful aspect of the judicial system is the police officer.. they alone posesses the power of incipient "selective and descretionary enforcement".

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Tolerance4all

Wheres Niteshift when you need him? Whats the book say about descretionary enforcement?

It seems that the U.S. justice system is greatly admired on this forum.

IMO it's not all bad, but it sure is broke.

May I remind you this is the same system that puts a young man in a cell where he is raped repeatedly by a known sex offender.

The same system that put a quadriplegic kid in a D.C. jail who died from a lack of medical care.

The same system that throws shock grenades into a little old ladies house and she dies of heart failure.

I could go on but theres no point. IMO most of whats wrong in the U.S. justice system is the drug laws and the tatics they have adopted to fight the war on drugs.

BC.Buddy

It sure is. It makes it hard to argue the legal system when there's so many that defend it. They feel that it's quite righteous and that someone breaking the law is doing wrong because they're breaking the law.

I feel differently. I think the legal system should reflect a different, less political core.

Crimes should be crimes in the true sense of the word. Like an event that has a victim. And severity of crimes would be given the same kind of common sense system; rapists not spending less time in jail than drug dealers.

Yeah, and that young man was caught for dealing a plant! Great system.

Or what about innocent people being given the death sentence? That's gotta suck.

Do I have, right now, a better system? **** NO! I didn't say I did. But I disagree very greatly with the current system. And I don't have to agree with the current system, just because it's the current system, just because it is the law. That doesn't matter. There's been unjust and essentially stupid laws since the dawn of civilization and there'll be bull **** laws until the end.

narc emery

Legal systems are not one of justice, but of law-as it must be!

Law can be conceived, constructed, and administered to a society with reasonable assurance that it's interpretation will be guided by fundamental principles imposed by socially accepted criteria.

Justice, on the other hand...is a fairly abstract concept involving the perceived fair and moral treatment of all persons, especially in regards to the law. It is often fluid, dynamic, and ambiguous; it's true definition is as varied as each individual on this forum.

Justice, not law is often seen as the continued effort to do what is "right." In most cases, what one regards as "right" can be determined by consulting the relevant majority, and employing reasonable logic. However, since the concept of "right" and "wrong" is highly subjective to each individual's definition in that process (hence, those who feel Marc Emery got what he deserved, vs. those who feel he was wrongfully arrested), then that alone, would preclude justice as a construct used to administer the foundation of rules, regulations and codes of conduct.

Unfortunantly, all legal systems do tend to grow in complexity instead of simplicity, until the resulting unreliability becomes intolerable. Law, not justice is the great standing policy of civil society; and some believe that any eminent departure from it, under any circumstances, lies under the suspicion of being no policy at all.

But then again, popular agitation, and collective activism leads to justice. :spark: