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lilgrasshoppah

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Got to Vancouver, or Amsterdam to see marijuana culture. Not everybody takes after Jack Herer, but there is a definable marijuana culture.

Now, I all for fierce individualism, n all, but "if we don't stand together, we will assuredly fall separately."

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Lothar121

And really this pretty much hits the nail on the head on some of the reasons why certain people here dislike the way Marc Emery fights for legalization, because it isn't compatible with the United States strategy (appealing to the non cannabis consuming population).

Now, I have acknowledged before that the cannabis culture movement in Canada has helped, but it is very obvious that it would not succeed here in the United States. It would reinforce the image that everyone that uses cannabis happens to be a hippie and not a regular person that has a job and a family. Americans need to understands that the people using marijuana are professionals, their kids, their family, heck even their spouses. It’s not a culture, it’s blended into all the different cultures.

Also, I too believe it is imperative that cannabis users remain united, and our objective should stay on what is important and we not get side tracked. Marijuana should be legalized and regulated for adults.

And to everyone that is viewing this message that is a guest and new to reform, look at my sig and visit the Marijuana Policy Project, NORML, and contribute everything you can to the movement. We have to keep building up.

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lilgrasshoppah

I believe this is a mistake. The "non cannabis consuming community" preferred people to die, rather than allow cannabis for medicine. People go to prison for decades over this plant, and nobody in the "non cannabis consuming community" give's a rat's ass. The United States is violating the sovereignty of its closest ally and partner, and people in the cannabis-consuming (never mind: "non") think that's hunky dory. It's time to stop pandering to what people outside the community think of people inside the community.

We, of the cannabis consuming community, are not simply people with jobs and families and property, just like everybody else. We are persecuted for consuming a plant... and we still choose to consume. We have put ourselves outside "jobs and family and property".

That said, if you want to get as close to possible as that ideal, look at what Marc Emery has done. He has made weed de facto legal in Vancouver. He has forced the government, as well as law enforcement, to admit that weed has been legal at certain times in the recent history.

Have you ever thought that maybe the reason weed is so restricted in the US is because you keep pandering to the people in charge? Just a thought. I mean, the DEA must have an easy time of it, if every time they beak off with some ****ing nonsense, the CANNABIS COMMUNITY goes "jolly good show! Absolutely correct! Good on ya, mate!" You have but a little power left. You'd better use it before the DEA takes it away from you.

If they can take an upstanding WASP businessman from Canada to sacrifice to their idol, you can be sure that none of you guys are safe.

Buzzby

What's the point of trying to convince cannabis users that cannabis ought to be legal? They already know that (even if the vast majority of them do nothing to help the cause). If every cannabis user in the US was of voting age and all of them voted for pro-cannabis candidates it would have zero effect on prohibition. Cannabis users represent 5% of the population.


Speak for yourself. Human beings are largely xenophobic - they fear people/cultures different from themselves. By playing up cannabis users as a separate culture we guarantee that cannabis use will continue to be suppressed. I'm a member of my local community, no different from my neighbors, except that I prefer smoking a joint to drinking a beer.

Why is it different in Canada? I have a theory. It's part of Canadian culture to avoid offending anyone. They avoid offending cannabis users by not enforcing their own laws. They avoid offending people who dislike cannabis by keeping the laws on the books.


I believe I'm considerably safer than a guy who breaks the law in public and taunts the government to do something about it. Upstanding businessmen are generally not involved in illegal businesses. Marc Emery isn't a WASP, he's a Buddhist.

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lilgrasshoppah

Human beings are all xenophobic... except Canadians, who are much to timid to be afraid of their neighbors. Yes, that's a swell theory. Or maybe not...? Maybe it's a little thing called tolerance...? Just spit-ballin' here. I have been wrong before.

I am a human being. I have just as much right to live on this planet as anybody else. Homosexuals got recognition of their rights by demanding them. "I am just like everybody else, except I get dates from my own locker room. Leave me the hell alone."

Okay, fine. "I am just like everybody else, but I have my own little cultural quirks, that are far more important to me than they should be to the prohibitionists. So leave me the hell alone. Don't use my nonviolent ethos as an excuse to abuse me to distract from your laziness and incompetence."

If you don't stand up for your rights, somebody will mistake you for a beast of burden, and treat you accordingly. Martin Luther King jr. said that.

WASP sounds better than WASB. Especially since there's no such word as wasb. (unless you have nasal congestion, but then you probably meant to say wasp in the first place, so whatever) So cut me a little slack please. My point was, of course the non-cannabis community doesn't want people speaking up in defiance of their bull**** policies. Of course they don't want a successful businessman completely destroying their image of a stoner: a cross between Cheech, Chong, and Ashton Kutcher.

Why would you, as a cannabis user, seek to pander to them? Did Peter McWilliams die for nothing, then? I once had a person from the non cannabis consuming side of things say (and I quote), "he looks like a real moral guy. No wonder he died."

You see, because Peter was a "fag", with "AIDS", "God struck him down"... in other words, in the "mind of the common man", the federal authorities didn't steal his house and put his mom up for ransom... it was divine retribution!!!

I know you understand this, Buzz. I know you do. I know you agree with me, because you've said a number of things that tell me you do.

Why are you so afraid of public opinion? The harder you push, the more you will get. Especially in a nation as cowardly and as lazy as yours. And that IS the point. The Average American knows more about, and is concerned more with, Jessica Simpson's bust size than what is really going on in this world. The fact that Bill O'Reilly is still on the air proves you have nothing to worry about from the American people. They'll follow anything with a big enough mouth. And rather than subsisting on scraps, you could have the whole hog... (unless you're jewish, like mamabuds... and then you might have a side of beef... or what ever metaphor suits your fancy). I'm just begging you. Take it now, while you still have the chance.

Because the people committed to putting you (personally, you) in jail will not stop with Marc. They will continue on, imprisoning, torturing, and killing, and they will show no remorse or no compassion. We have to stop them.

Everytime a prominent member of our community gets pinched, there is always a chorus of self-loathing, "oh, I hate cannabis prohibition and all, but in this case, he deserved it." I'm thinking of Tommy Chong. All the guy did was endorse some glass tubes. He didn't even sell them. But even the cannabis community got on his case. WTF...? These guys aren't hurting anybody by their association with weed! Why is their weed association an issue!

You know what the DEA does? Every year, they take their 34 BILLION dollar cheque from the bank to the liquor store, and THEY LAUGH THEIR ASSES OFF. Because the people they are kicking in the teeth are too docile to do anything about it. We do their dirty work for them. Because we hate ourselves more than they do.

BC.Buddy

That's a very valid opinion, but I'd like to know how you intend to prove that guarantee. Also, is it a full money back guarantee? I just got busted and need money for legal defence, they took all my 'drug money'!

Maybe that's why America chooses to become more and more protectionist from us; they're xenophobes!

But you're definetely semi right at least. It is this part of my culture that I LOVE. We do try to keep our offending people or nations, etc to a minimum. Can you say that about the U.S.? You see, the problem with not caring you offend, as long as you cater to someone, is that then the choice of who you offend comes into play. Instead of treating everyone as equals, including cannabis consumers.

Yeah? Well, I guess that's why it takes a guy with balls to do what Marc Emery did then, huh? A guy who'll dare risk it all.

Are you defending these laws? Are you not an upstanding citizen because you smoke marijuana? Come on Buzzby. If not anything else, he's a very successful businessman. And he's involved in illegal businesses that have been tolerated as legal for almost a decade.

Also, I thought you said he isn't a Buddhist? Or didn't believe he was when he said it anyway, because he's got other conflicting morals, and oh yeah, has a nice apartment.

True that. Canadians are very far from what you believe everyone is. We embrace different cultures and ways of thinking, as long as those cultures and ways of thinking do not threaten anyone else.

"...their 34 BILLION dollar cheque..."

That's about a thousand dollars for every Canadian on this planet! That's a lot of money to use. Do you think we should be helping them Buzzby?

These billionaires that you seem to also rely on in the U.S., do they have this kind of money to fight for legalization? Because the D.E.A. has that kind of money to fight for prohibition.

lilgrasshoppah

or even getting high responsibly, with no fear of persecution.

It certainly isn't about whether all potsmokers are nice guys.

Finally, it isn't about Marc Emery's character.

That is immaterial.

Nobody has the right to tell anybody what they are to do with their private time. That's it. We're talking baseline democracy here. Marijuana prohibition is against democracy. And that's why I fight it. CERTAINLY NOT just cuz i wanna get high!

Nobody voted for the DEA
Nobody votes for the Drug Czar

These are antidemocratic positions.

Like I said earlier, if the US thinks Marc a fraud, extradite him on that! But, oops, they don't. Nobody deserves to go to prison for weed.

again, just in case you missed it.

nobody deserves to go to prison for weed


not you, not me, not Marc... not anybody. Weed is harmless, and not a single soul ever voted to make weed illegal. (in case you're wondering, Harry J was a soulless bastard. His vote doesn't count )