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Old 09-27-2005, 04:56 AM   #11
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If you are lucky enough not to hit anyone with the bullets I believe there is still a charge called RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT.
You don't have to hit anybody to be charged with attempted murder. All you have to do is try to shoot someone. If you pull a gun and threaten to shoot someone it's assault with a deadly weapon. If you simply pull a gun it's brandishing. If you fire a gun in any direction where it would have a possibility of hitting someone it would be reckless endangerment.
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Old 09-27-2005, 04:31 PM   #12
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Lets get this cleared up. Someone has to be an expert on embaulming fluid and PCP. I may very well be wrong, but I thought that embaulming fluid was a preservative. That is why they use it on dead people, to preserve their bodies. I have unknowingly bought a bad bag of pot that was laced with embaulming fluid, and I didnt get high at all from the pot or the fluid. I think the reason that people put embaulming fluid on pot is to preserve it longer. This is done when people grow large amounts and cant get rid of it fast enough. I have never heard of it having to do with PCP.
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Old 09-27-2005, 05:04 PM   #13
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There appears to be a current trend of the use of substances known alternately by the slang names 'embalming fluid', 'fry', 'formaldehyde', 'wet', 'water', or 'amp'. These are sold in a variety of forms including cannabis joints or regular cigarettes dipped in liquid and cannabis leaf or tea leaves dipped in liquid. In all of these forms, the material is then smoked. Despite the variety of names, there is good reason to believe that these are all various preparations containing PCP.

In most instances PCP is not mentioned when the substance is sold or discussed. In fact, there are constantly re-circulating rumors that substances being sold by these names do not contain PCP, but are instead actually the fluid (formaldehyde) used for embalming as would be used in a mortuary. But there is evidence to support that this is primarily a case of confused slang terms. 'Embalming Fluid' is a common street slang term for PCP and has been for many years. PCP can come in liquid form, so the term 'fluid' is fitting. It is entirely possible (actually quite likely) that the confusion between PCP and embalming fluid (formaldehyde) has gone so far as to cause a new trend where PCP is actually mixed with formaldehye (or other 'embalming fluids') and used as a recreational psychoactive. But there is little evidence that the formaldehyde itself causes any pleasant or desirable effects.

Embalming fluid, as used in a mortuary, is traditionally made from formaldehyde. It does not contain PCP. Formaldehyde and PCP are completely different chemicals, which are not related. Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen linked to nasal and lung cancer, and with possible links to brain cancer and leukemia and should not be smoked.
If you have purchased marijuana that has been laced with formaldehyde (H2C=O), I guarantee it's because someone along the way has confused "embalming fluid", which is slang for PCP, with actual embalming fluid. Don't smoke it.
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:10 PM   #14
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Actually, I did a bit of research (ok, I just searched erowid....does that count?) and yes, people are out there smoking embalming fluid, as stupid and insane as it sounds. It seems there are a few not so bright individual people out there that think its cool to smoke the very same stuff they pickle our bodies with after we're dead......evolution will see to it that these people get the ultimate formaldehyde high(being death)......I know your source was erowid as well, which i also read, but I did find an article that said many people admitted to emergency rooms claiming to have smoked "embalming fluid" tested negative for PCP, yet showed the same kind of psychotic behavior associated with it.
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:32 PM   #15
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Actually, I did a bit of research (ok, I just searched erowid....does that count?) and yes, people are out there smoking embalming fluid, as stupid and insane as it sounds. It seems there are a few not so bright individual people out there that think its cool to smoke the very same stuff they pickle our bodies with after we're dead......evolution will see to it that these people get the ultimate formaldehyde high(being death)......I know your source was erowid as well, which i also read, but I did find an article that said many people admitted to emergency rooms claiming to have smoked "embalming fluid" tested negative for PCP, yet showed the same kind of psychotic behavior associated with it.
Here's the thing: Drug addicts really don't care what they do to their bodies or to other's bodies. Especially the ones who go around shooting at police officers and smoking embalming fluid with damn good knowledge that's its very unhealthy for the body. Heck, if what the previous post said was true about how embalming fluid eats through plastic bags, then it has to be bad for the body
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Old 05-13-2006, 04:03 PM   #16
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I know this thread is old but, I was doing reseach on this case and stumbled apon this thread, I have to say that I am closely attached to this case and there are alot of underlying factors and misconceptions with this case. To point out a few, the defendant was running from shots fired by the police prior to entering the buildging in a seperate incident and was hit by one of these bullets. He shot back after being hit and followed by the out of paranoia, not from being high as they would have you think, and ballistics has supported this, The man described as killed a month prior was the defendants brother and the police have consistently lied throughout the case. It still has not gone to trial because the prosecution knows the police have lied numerous times in their reports and the defenses legal team are ready to blow this case of police misconduct wide open. The police in newark, nj have repeatedly overcharged individuals, they feel like something has to stick whether guilty or not. The system in newark, is fucked up (to put it bluntly) and currently under investigation by the Dept of Justice for corrution. As far as the pot laced with "wet", it is embalming fluid, the main or original ingredient but it is cut at least ten times with different chemical substances that change the chemical make up and it becomes a psychotrophic drug, it is EXTREMELY common in NJ and NY and VERY popular with gang members that want to lose ever inhibition. To put it lightly it intesifies your pot high (at least the version on the streets here). They wanted to make the point that the defendant was a dangerously high maniac, when in fact he shot back in self defense thinking that the police were going to murder him the way they did his brother. Seth Boyden is one of the most dangerous projects and it is also called the forgotten lands, they dont care about the people down there so they send the disgraced officers down there as punishment, the people have to protect themselves from the police as sad as it may sound. I know, I did an ivestigation down there and cited 83 procedural infractions by police officers in 3 DAYS, need I say more. Once again they want to blame drugs for the misconduct of others, when the real issue is alot deeper then that. Stay tuned this case should be back in the papers VERY soon.
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Just another reason to legalize it as you never know when someone is going to give you one of those laced joints just to see you go off the deep end.
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Just another reason to legalize it as you never know when someone is going to give you one of those laced joints just to see you go off the deep end.

While thats not an impossibility, the odds of getting "laced" weed without knowing or asking for it are slim to none. It makes no sense to sell laced weed for the same price as normal, when it is an added expense to the dealer. I've boughten literally hundreds, likely thousands, of bags(orignating from basically every region of the US, and several foreign countries), never getting laced weed once.
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Damn this bunker is dirty....

Man, this thread is really good....somebody mentioned the DEA schedule...there's lots of stuff that's not a controlled substance that should be. I could tell you things that would seem odd when you compared them to herb.

PCP will cause the behavior mentioned. I've seen it first hand. Enough of that.

The other chemical is also toxic to use, so I guess I'll skip that one, too.

People were shot, and that's bad, and if herb was involved, that's bad, too.

Now the best part....the story about the police. I betcha if enough folk's open fire down there, there will be all kinda cop's down there, P D Q....good ones and bad ones.....


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While thats not an impossibility, the odds of getting "laced" weed without knowing or asking for it are slim to none. It makes no sense to sell laced weed for the same price as normal, when it is an added expense to the dealer. I've boughten literally hundreds, likely thousands, of bags(orignating from basically every region of the US, and several foreign countries), never getting laced weed once.
I agree with you. In the cases I have seen or been involved in, it was usually "laced" by a friend or someone new at a party. The results sometimes weren't pretty. It isn't a nice "trick" to play on someone, especially if "angel" was involved.
I am sure my pal dedbr would agree with me. If he is done cleaning out the bunker.
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