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troublemaker_42

You're right....I know at least one friend you haven't gained. I'm not proud of myself,and quite frankly, have gone through periods of outright self-hatred. I don't really need a complete stranger telling me I should rot for what I've done. When you've walked a mile in my shoes, feel free to judge me all you want. Until then, you don't have a clue. Did you once see me endorsing the act? Where, exactly, did I seem proud of what I have done, or did I dismiss the seriouness of my offense. Did you once get the idea I was somehow advocating what I've done, or making excuses? Self-rightous much? God is going to judge me and my actions someday....I don't need you jumping the gun on it. Its easy to sit on the sidelines, and tell people what they should or shouldn't do, or tell people exactly how they can solve their problems. Quit drinking....already have. Go to treatment? Beeen there, done that, and going back for round two. Go to AA? Hmmm....I just got back from a meeting, only to read your response. I went from an environment where people say let the past be the past, and live each day one day at a time, and a place where they teach you not to judge yourself, or others, and the VERY first thing I read is someone judging me beyond belief. You can argue it wasn't a personal attack, but since I was the sole person mentioning DUI, I can't help but assume it was directed at me.

 

Buzzby

I'm sure I'm make some friends with this remark: judgmental people need to pick up a mirror and take a good look at their own imperfections.

Let she who is without sin cast the first stone.

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Stephanie S.

No judgements dude, just reality. I am WITHOUT the sin of drinking and driving. I do not do it, so I'm heaving rocks.

I have lived right in the middle of alcoholic hell, been surrounded by it my entire life. Lost a loved on due to drunk driver smashing his life to an end.

I have not judged you. My analysis of drunk driving being stupid and asinine is a direct result of my experience with alcoholics and drunk drivers.
It is wrong Plain old Wrong to drink and drive. Being an alcoholic does not make it understandable nor forgivable to put others lives at risk.

Everything one does is a choice, unless its just a basic human function, such as breathing. I do not judge you. I judge the actions of anyone who gets into a car and drives after they've been drinking to be stupid, mean and heartless.

When You sir, have watched a family suffer at loss of someone dear to them as a result of a DUI then perhaps you could look at things from another perspective and friggin stop drinking and driving.

Didn't see anything in your post as proud or boastful. Personally, I would be too ashamed to post something like that. It's really no sweat that I didn't win your friendship with my opinion, I couldn't be friends with someone who gets DUI's. That's just not my kind of people. I won't send my son to visit his aunt because of her drinking. I love my sister but wouldn't trust her with my kid and don't particularly enjoy hanging out with her, all because of her drinking. I hope 12 steps or whatever you're working on helps.

peace

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"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to audio)

troublemaker_42

To an alcoholic, drinking comes as natural as breathing. When that drinking leads to intoxication, rational decisons aren't exactly a priority. I'm not excusing my behavior, but not everything is as simple as it appears to someone who isn't themselves an addict to something that seriously messes up your (otherwise) rational judgement. heave all the stones you want.....but remember the saying about the glass house. Nobody's perfect, and your flaws may very well not be mine and vice versa, but you are no better than i am.....even if you insist on thinking otherwise


AS sidenote, what on earth makes you think I have't seen the hurt and pain caused by drinking and driving. I too have lost firends. Your not alone in that. I'm sure that just gives you a bit more information you'll use to slam me, but you aren't the only one who has seen what can happen. I've got a question for you though.....do you believe in jail sentences for people addicted to drugs, or those that simply use them? Do you believe that anyone who has driven stoned should serve a life sentence, which is certainly a possibility for the attempted murder charges you think drunk drivers ought to face? Have you ever driven within 8 hours of partaking in the herb? Once again, I'm not saying alocoholism can be blamed for my actions in their entirity, but it certainly played a significant role.

And why exactly should I be too ashmamed of posting that I recieved a DUI? I've learned problems are better dealt with facing them head on, rather than hiding them below layers of shame like you seem to think is appropriate. As for not having friend who have had DUI's...your loss entirely. i know many GOOD people who have gotten them. Far be it for me to dismiss their good qualities because of a bad choice. To be so judgemental as to dismiss everything positive about a person because you only choose to see the negative is just plain sad. Maybe i'm just a little more open minded than you, but I refuse to judge a person based on a single act. When a person's life is defined by one choice, one action, ONE MISTAKE, no one could be worthy of your friendship, for we have all done things we shouldn't....unless you happen to be perfect, which, by your attitude alone, I can tell you are not.

Buzzby

This thread is moving into OT territory. Let's bring it back to something related to the originating article or, at least, marijuana. Stephanie's post about her attitude towards people who drink and drive could be considered either a personal attack on troublemaker_42 or just totally off-topic. Neither will be tolerated.

 

troublemaker_42

good idea....i see nothing positive coming out of this

Niteshift

No judgements dude, just reality. I am WITHOUT the sin of drinking and driving. I do not do it, so I'm heaving rocks.

So that is how it works? You simply have to be "without sin" on a particular topic to do it? Thanks for clearing that up. I was always under the impression that it meant you should be perfect yourself in order to start judging others. Damn was I wrong.

Don't let it be said that this forum isn't educational.


My 2 cents? Drunk driving is stupid and dangerous. That being said, I'm not so sure that hammering someone for the rest of their lives over it, particularly when they paid a high price in their personal life, then sought help and made changes is exactly the right move either.

I can excuse (forgive) most things in life if the person is remorseful, "pays" for their mistake and learns something positive from it. But that's just me.

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Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is muzzle flash.

Stephanie S.

Given the fact that Dave Olsen,in the article has a record of drinking and driving, my comments about people drinking and driving are relevant.
I have serious issues with the action of drinking and driving. I do not judge people, I judge what is right for me. A person who endangers the lives of others by drinking and driving has issues in their life I don't want in mine. I know, I am a terrible person, the shame the shame.

I am happy I took NS off my ignore list, he actually said what I was thinking. Drunk driving is stupid and dangerous.

Regarding the Boulder City Police Volunteer Police Force, one of the stipulations for hiring is No Prior Felony or Gross Misdemeanor arrest record. I wonder why the cops are subject to more stringent rules than the City Attorney.


peace

troublemaker_42

LMMFAO....now THAT is the bggest case I've seen of selective reading yet. Its amazing how some people can only see what they want to, and ignore everything else

Niteshift

Regarding the Boulder City Police Volunteer Police Force, one of the stipulations for hiring is No Prior Felony or Gross Misdemeanor arrest record. I wonder why the cops are subject to more stringent rules than the City Attorney.

They usually are.

If a cop does ANYTHING wrong, it makes the news, often in some far reaching locations. But if the guy who does landscaping for the city does the same thing, he might not even get in trouble, let alone make the news.

Hiring standards are similarly strict in many places.