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Buzzby · 10-21-2005, 09:20 AM

Medical Marijuana Patient Steve Tuck Denounces Marijuana Policy Project For Using His Name In Fund Raising Appeal
Richardd Cowan | MarijuanaNews.com | 10/20/2005

Steve Tuck, a disabled veteran and medical marijuana activist, whose case attracted international attention after he was denied any medical treatment for almost a week while in law enforcement custody, has denounced the Marijuana Policy Project for using his name without permission in an Email fundraising appeal.

Tuck requested that the following statement be given the widest possible distribution and specifically requested that it be distributed to NORML members:

“During all of the time that I was being held, MPP did nothing to help. NORML was the only organization that spoke out for me. I am outraged that MPP is using my name to scam the marijuana reform movement in one of their fundraising hustles.

MPP also has a record of abandoning medical marijuana patients after exploiting them for publicity. MPP has backed medical marijuana initiatives that do nothing for patients who have to live in the real world.

I am especially disgusted that MPP’s hustle also tries to give the impression that it has paid for my defense by saying that my attorney 'is being funded by MPP's grants program.'

MPP has not given one cent to my defense. My attorney, Douglas Hiatt, has received funding from MPP for other projects, but he has worked many hours on my case with only what little the federal government pays for court appointed attorneys. Douglas Hiatt and Allen St. Pierre of NORML are the true heroes here, not Rob Kampia.”
–- Steven Tuck

Steve Tuck can be reached at auagcuzn@ashlumines.com

RL in IL · 10-21-2005, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzby/Steve Tuck

MPP has not given one cent to my defense...Douglas Hiatt and Allen St. Pierre of NORML are the true heroes here, not Rob Kampia.”
–- Steven Tuck

Is it because the Steve Tuck case is not solely a marijuana case? Weren't there hard drugs, and guns involved in his case...? I'm thinking MPP stands for, in particular, relieving the medical marijuana aspect but not the other issues complicating Tuck's case.

In other words, it appears that MPP's focus is much narrower than NORML's. The organizations serve different purposes and overlap solely on the medical marijuana aspect, not anything else Tuck may be charged with.

Rather than come out and attack MPP in an effort to pull it in a direction it might not need to go, there should be an examination of what it is Tuck is really in trouble for, eh? I have a feeling it is a little more than the right to use medical marijuana. If that is the truth then maybe MPP has acted as appropriately as possible in the scope of its already strained services?

Buzzby · 10-21-2005, 06:41 PM

The problem is not that MPP hasn't supported Tuck. It's that they haven't supported him, they're claiming that they have supported him, and they've been using that claim in an effort to gain financial support for themselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marijuana Policy Project

From: Rob Kampia
Reply-To: rob@mpp.org
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:54:47 -0700

Subject: Medical marijuana patient snatched from hospital bed by police

Medical marijuana patient snatched from hospital bed by police
Dear ……….:
On October 7, Steven Tuck, a California medical marijuana patient who fled to Canada to avoid going to jail after being raided for growing his own marijuana, was snatched from a hospital by Canadian authorities, driven to the border with a urinary catheter still attached, and turned over to U.S. authorities for prosecution. He was held in jail for five days without medical treatment and without having his catheter removed. He was released from a Seattle jail to seek medical care last Thursday, but when his treatment is over, he must return to California to face a federal marijuana charge. Tuck, an Army veteran, used marijuana to treat the chronic pain stemming from a 1987 parachute accident in the Army. Is this how our government rewards its veterans? If this outrages you like it does me, please do something about it. Please help the Marijuana Policy Project continue lobbying to change these cruel and unjust laws, by making a contribution to our work <http://www.mpp.org/donate3039> . We cannot keep up the fight without funding from people like you. You can read more about the case of Steven Tuck — whose attorney is being funded by MPP's grants program — here <http://www.mpp.org/WA/news/10473.mpp> .

And Steven Tuck isn't alone. On Monday, the FBI announced that the government is arresting one marijuana user every 41 seconds — more than ever before. The 771,605 marijuana arrests last year set an all-time record — and exceeded the 590,258 arrests for all violent crimes combined. And 89% of the marijuana arrests were for simple possession, not sale or manufacture. This is wildly out of sync with the priorities of most Americans. One of those arrests last year was Jonathan Magbie, a quadriplegic medical marijuana patient who died in the Washington, D.C., city jail while serving a 10-day sentence for marijuana possession. Had Congress not blocked the district's medical marijuana law from taking effect, Jonathan Magbie would almost certainly be alive today. You are not helpless in the face of such extreme government abuses. You can take action right now to put a stop to it for good, by helping to support MPP's hard-hitting, aggressive work <http://www.mpp.org/donate3039> . MPP has a proven track record of success <http://www.mpp.org/mppturns10/timeline.html> , and your contribution will help us fight back hard. With the help of our 18,000 dues-paying members, MPP is working to end the persecution of people like Steven Tuck, Jonathan Magbie, and millions of others — and we are getting closer to victory every day. Won't you please make a financial contribution <http://www.mpp.org/donate3039> to our work today, so that we can keep up the fight? Please don't close this e-mail without clicking here <http://www.mpp.org/donate3039> to make your donation. Thank you. Sincerely,

Rob Kampia
Executive Director
Marijuana Policy Project
Washington, D.C.

Liberty4All · 10-22-2005, 02:26 AM

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MPP has backed medical marijuana initiatives that do nothing for patients who have to live in the real world.

Huh??? Medical marijuana initiatives do nothing for patients who live in the real world??? How about protection from state prosecution for those who use marijuana for medical reasons? And since state and local marijuana arrests account for over 99% of all marijuana arrests in the US, this is very significant.

MPP is by far the nation's most successful pro-marijuana legalization organization, based on what they have accomplished with their ballot initiatives. For this guy to attack them for such a petty reason, like using his name with in an article without his permission, is counterproductive.

Buzzby · 10-22-2005, 03:05 AM

1) Steve Tuck is tortured.

2) MPP does nothing to help.

3) MPP claims they did help and uses that claim to raise money.

You don't think Steve has a valid complaint? I do. It also says something about the motives, practices, and ethics of the organization.

Lothar121 · 10-22-2005, 07:28 AM

It seems wrong, but I would like to see more on it beyond what marijuananews.com posted. Cowan have been on a witch-hunt against the MPP for a while now and seems to have a lasting grudge against the organization.

However, this is the first time I have seen something solid to support his case beyond just trusting his claims about the MPP and Kampia. Is it possible that Kampia actually made a mistake by thinking his organization really was paying the lawyer? I would think most likely not, and if so that shows his incompetence as a leader.

Hey I'm just trying to be objective here, I am a 2+ year member of the MPP, but I don't like how Kampia exploited this situation if the case is that everything posted on marijuananews.com is true. At the same time I want to end this war, and I like the way the MPP is going about it (aside of stuff like this).

killer12382 · 10-22-2005, 09:59 PM

What's the big deal here people? So what if they use his name. If it helps get some positive movement towards medpot acceptance, then more power to MPP.

Lothar121 · 10-22-2005, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killer12382

What's the big deal here people? So what if they use his name. If it helps get some positive movement towards medpot acceptance, then more power to MPP.

There is no big deal about what you said, but you are ignoring the point of importance.

The MPP lied that the grants program was helping to fund the defense team for this case.

**troublemaker_42** · 10-23-2005, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killer12382

What's the big deal here people? So what if they use his name. If it helps get some positive movement towards medpot acceptance, then more power to MPP.

If the article is true, I'd be upset if I was in his situation too. If they are claiming to do have done smething that they haven't, such as paying his attorneys, they are lying about their activites. When a group like this, which already has trouble being taken seriously by many people simply because of their support of marijuana, are exposed to be liars as well, the entire movment suffers. We're supposed to have the truth on OUR side.....when we start making things up, and lying to people, the movment is no more right than the governemnt with their lies about cannabis.

Dennis · 10-24-2005, 11:36 AM

Steve says,

"Douglas Hiatt, has received funding from MPP for other projects, but he has worked many hours on my case with only what little the federal government pays for court appointed attorneys."

MPP says,

We cannot keep up the fight without funding from people like you. You can read more about the case of Steven Tuck — whose attorney is being funded by MPP's grants program —

MPP does not specifically state that the funding for Steve Tuck's attorney is for Steve Tuck's defence. Could MPP be referring to the grant's program?

Steve also says that his attorney is being paid only court appointed attorney fees by the federal government. So how is NORML the true heros more than MPP? Is NORML involved in this news release?

Something sounds strange here.

MPP has been and remains the most effective organization at changing the laws than any other organization out there, including NORML. Don't get me wrong, I like NORML and the things they do, but they've been around for a few decades more than MPP, and have not been anywhere near as proactive at getting the laws changed.

I don't know what Steve's agenda is, but at this point he sounds single sighted and based on this news release, I've lost respect for him.

As far as MPP goes, they should first consult with the people they intend to use in their media to help raise funds before they publish their requests.

Dennis

10-21-2005, 09:20 AM	#1
Buzzby Buddhist Curmudgeon Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 13,808 Grams: 38,040.87 Groans: 26 Groaned at 37 Times in 31 Posts Thanks: 452 Thanked 3,048 Times in 1,574 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	DC: Medical Marijuana Patient Steve Tuck Denounces MPP Medical Marijuana Patient Steve Tuck Denounces Marijuana Policy Project For Using His Name In Fund Raising Appeal Richardd Cowan \| MarijuanaNews.com \| 10/20/2005 Steve Tuck, a disabled veteran and medical marijuana activist, whose case attracted international attention after he was denied any medical treatment for almost a week while in law enforcement custody, has denounced the Marijuana Policy Project for using his name without permission in an Email fundraising appeal. Tuck requested that the following statement be given the widest possible distribution and specifically requested that it be distributed to NORML members: “During all of the time that I was being held, MPP did nothing to help. NORML was the only organization that spoke out for me. I am outraged that MPP is using my name to scam the marijuana reform movement in one of their fundraising hustles. MPP also has a record of abandoning medical marijuana patients after exploiting them for publicity. MPP has backed medical marijuana initiatives that do nothing for patients who have to live in the real world. I am especially disgusted that MPP’s hustle also tries to give the impression that it has paid for my defense by saying that my attorney 'is being funded by MPP's grants program.' MPP has not given one cent to my defense. My attorney, Douglas Hiatt, has received funding from MPP for other projects, but he has worked many hours on my case with only what little the federal government pays for court appointed attorneys. Douglas Hiatt and Allen St. Pierre of NORML are the true heroes here, not Rob Kampia.” –- Steven Tuck Steve Tuck can be reached at auagcuzn@ashlumines.com __________________ McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. Do we really want four more years of the same old shit? ~ Buzzby, 08/31/2008 Theocracy Watch

10-22-2005, 07:28 AM	#6
Lothar121 Seasoned Activist Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,390 Grams: 2,915.70 Groans: 1 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 6 Thanked 22 Times in 10 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	It seems wrong, but I would like to see more on it beyond what marijuananews.com posted. Cowan have been on a witch-hunt against the MPP for a while now and seems to have a lasting grudge against the organization. However, this is the first time I have seen something solid to support his case beyond just trusting his claims about the MPP and Kampia. Is it possible that Kampia actually made a mistake by thinking his organization really was paying the lawyer? I would think most likely not, and if so that shows his incompetence as a leader. Hey I'm just trying to be objective here, I am a 2+ year member of the MPP, but I don't like how Kampia exploited this situation if the case is that everything posted on marijuananews.com is true. At the same time I want to end this war, and I like the way the MPP is going about it (aside of stuff like this). __________________ Donate. Write. Make a difference.. Libertyindex \| Posting Guidelines \| Marijuana Policy Project \| NORML \| DPA \| Drug WarRant \| Media Awareness Project

10-24-2005, 11:36 AM	#10
Dennis Jr. Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 194 Grams: 1,166.05 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	An Axe to Grind? Steve says, "Douglas Hiatt, has received funding from MPP for other projects, but he has worked many hours on my case with only what little the federal government pays for court appointed attorneys." MPP says, We cannot keep up the fight without funding from people like you. You can read more about the case of Steven Tuck — whose attorney is being funded by MPP's grants program — MPP does not specifically state that the funding for Steve Tuck's attorney is for Steve Tuck's defence. Could MPP be referring to the grant's program? Steve also says that his attorney is being paid only court appointed attorney fees by the federal government. So how is NORML the true heros more than MPP? Is NORML involved in this news release? Something sounds strange here. MPP has been and remains the most effective organization at changing the laws than any other organization out there, including NORML. Don't get me wrong, I like NORML and the things they do, but they've been around for a few decades more than MPP, and have not been anywhere near as proactive at getting the laws changed. I don't know what Steve's agenda is, but at this point he sounds single sighted and based on this news release, I've lost respect for him. As far as MPP goes, they should first consult with the people they intend to use in their media to help raise funds before they publish their requests. Dennis

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Buzzby Buddhist Curmudgeon Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 13,808 Grams: 38,040.87 Groans: 26 Groaned at 37 Times in 31 Posts Thanks: 452 Thanked 3,048 Times in 1,574 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	1) Steve Tuck is tortured. 2) MPP does nothing to help. 3) MPP claims they did help and uses that claim to raise money. You don't think Steve has a valid complaint? I do. It also says something about the motives, practices, and ethics of the organization.

10-22-2005, 09:59 PM	#7
killer12382 Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 877 Grams: 26.25 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	What's the big deal here people? So what if they use his name. If it helps get some positive movement towards medpot acceptance, then more power to MPP.

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