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reggie_the_dog

you said

"You are aware that there are countries much less strict than America. America doesn't sound like a fun place to me.

I hate how over-regulated countries become. I mean ontario has laws about cutting your grass and smoking outdoors. What the hell's wrong with us??

I wonder which country is the least regulated."

i would agree, but with one difference, there are countries less strict than America for some issues, and more strict for others.

 

lilgrasshoppah

How does a thread about the published libels of a standard-issue American prohibitionist/liar morph into, "at least it's better here than in France." This is crazy! No pothead, anywhere, has the minimum of acceptable freedom (not even in Amsterdam, but especially not in the United States). Everywhere we look, we see threats to Cannabian Liberty... and especially so in the United States. President Bush and Alberto Gonzales are still trying to defend their obviously illegal and unconstitutional wiretaps as legal and constitutional. And there are some people on this board gullible enough to believe it.

These silly allegiances to countries which don't want us... which criticize and persecute us... make no sense. When does self-preservation kick in... or are we all battered spouses: traumatised, insecure, and comforted by false promises and mumbled apologies?

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Buzzby

That's kind of over-the-top. My nationality is American, not "Cannabian". Cannabis is a recreational drug I use for fun and a medicinal drug I use to help with a sleep disorder. It's not my country, my culture, my religion, or my way-of-life.

My loyalties are to the United States of America and my goal is to bring my country back to the principles of freedom and individual responsibility on which it was founded.

Somehow, I don't think the United States of Intoxication would form a viable society. For the vast majority of the people who use cannabis, it's a pastime, not their raison d'être.

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reggie_the_dog

"My loyalties are to the United States of America and my goal is to bring my country back to the principles of freedom and individual responsibility on which it was founded.

Somehow, I don't think the United States of Intoxication would form a viable society. For the vast majority of the people who use cannabis, it's a pastime, not their raison d'être."

I gotta agree, France is on a short list of countries that I would live in, i honestly dont want to live in the netherlands because they still are subjects to a royal family, even with their liberal cannabis stance and all.
France had a revolution in the same era that the USA, a revolt against kings, and I am supposed to be the king of myself here like in the USA


oh yeah, i never said France was better than the USA on all issues, i dont like how hard it is for me to legally buy a gun here in France for example.

troublemaker_42

I love weed as much as the next guy, but damn......it isn't my entire existence, nor is it a major priority in my day to day life. Its simply one of many things in life I enjoy, just like a juicy ribeye hot off the grill, a nice fall morning out hunting, or cuddling on a cold winter night with my wife. I don't feel as if I'm an outcast becasue of my use, nor do I feel as if I've formed some alligence to some country that doesn't want me. Its a part of my life, not my focus in life though. With that being said, yeah, there are places I wouldn't mind living in, and theres many more I'd NEVER want to live in. I love my country, and I'm not going to portray myself as some poor, picked on minority simply becasue i smoke pot once in awhile. ery few people share the extreme views that you do, lilgrasshoppah, and quite frankly, i'm kind of glad. I'm not a Cannabian, i'm an American. Just becasue i may not like the current state of affairs doesnt mean I'm going to abandon the ideals America was founded on. Things are cyclic....whats true today may not be true tomorrow, nor was it necessarily true yesterday. tjings are always changing, and I'm not going to whine about what they are like today.....i'd rather work to change tomorrow, in my own way

 

lilgrasshoppah

I find cannabis to be a spiffy drug. It cures my depression... treats my chronic pain... it even makes me walk, sit, and stand straighter. I quite love it, even before acknowledging the fact that it makes music both comprehensible and fascinating, turns salty cardboard into sweetest ambrosia, enlivens even the dullest conversation, and quite literally brightens my day. That said, it's a silly reason to defy the assembled forces of prohibition. I defy prohibition, not because prohibition seeks to keep from me a drug I like... but because prohibition is caustic to the concept of liberty. There is no such thing as liberty, if people do not have the right to choose: the gods they worship, the ideals they champion, or even the things they consume (psychotrophic or not).

You suffer from lack of vision. Strange, for an ordinarily prescient fellow such as yourself. Look at the forces arrayed against legalization: a multibillion-dollar cadre of incestuous industries and multiple layers and branches of government, all of whom are wholly committed to continuing prohibition. They have seven decades of inertia built up. They have superior weaponry, superior funding, superior propaganda machinery. The only way that we can defeat them, is by being more committed then they are... by being an immovable rock that they can only smash themselves against.

I gape in wonder at the amount of work you are willing to do, and the responsibilities you gladly shoulder, in the hope of such a paltry reward. Legal cannabis for an individual is a pittance, when compared to the liberty of millions. So it's not just about one citizen being granted the freedom by his benevolent leader. It is all free citizens (male/ female/ adult/ child/ chocolate/ vanilla/ strawberry/ banana) reaping the benefits of liberty, in a rational and progressive society. In the ideal world, weed won't even be an issue. The question "Do you smoke weed"? will be as banal as whether you part your hair right, left, or down the middle. That's my goal.

teufelfisch

Probably the one with the least number of people.

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fight4rights

Damn scientists! Always relying on logic and evidence to support there claims. Why can't they just extrapolate their own personal stories onto universal truths like the rest of us?

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