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Old 02-03-2006, 05:44 AM   #11
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Animals studies have shown over and over again that cannabinoids have tumor-suppressing properties.
These effects appear to have been tempered by his use of marijuana.
Fleeing incarceration because you believe that it would be a death sentence makes perfect sense to me.
Possession of minute amounts of controlled substances does not deserve capital punishment.
He has said all along that he'd do his time if he could be provided with the medication he needs to stay alive.[/quote]


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1. Are you aware of any studies showing the same in humans? I'm not, but that's not to say they don't exist.
2. In my profession, I don't deal with inferences. I deal with testable and observable facts. Is saying "they appear to help" any different than what I said in terms of certainty? I'll admit that I shouldn't have said that marijuana wasn't keeping him alive, I don't know that. However, that doesn't detract from the validity of the rest of my point.
3. I'd flee too, doesn't mean it's not illegal.
4. Don't misappropriate the term "capital punishment," it's something I'm heavily involved in and I take it extremely seriously. In addition to being another topic for another time, this is what I'm talking about when I say that emotional misapplications of facts do not help OUR cause.
5. I'm under the impression that inmates are allowed to take medications perscribed to them legally by a physican. Would marinol not have the same effect for him? I'm asking, not asserting; I don't know. Inmates have access to licensed physicians, bound by ethical obligations and the Hypocratic Oath. They are not bound by any obligation to perscribe what the state or criminal justice system would have them perscribe.

In any case Buzz, I'm not arguing with you, just throwing my point of view out there. I respect your opinions and enjoy reading your posts. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone here, it's just important that we all look at social problems from as many points of view as possible. Given what I do for a living, I will frequently provide an opinion that may be contrary to the majority of posters here. I'm not doing it to stir up ****, I just want to encourage discourse.
In any event, whether you're religious or not, I think we can all agree that this man needs our "prayers."
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Old 02-03-2006, 06:09 AM   #12
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1. Are you aware of any studies showing the same in humans? I'm not, but that's not to say they don't exist.
AFAIK, there haven't been any controlled studies on humans, thanks to our friends in the FDA/DEA/ONDCP. A large-scale survey study showed that the incidence of lung cancer is lower in cigarette smokers who also smoke cannabis than in cigarette smokers who don't and marijuana smokers who don't smoke cigarettes have a lower incidence than people who don't smoke anything.


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2. In my profession, I don't deal with inferences. I deal with testable and observable facts. Is saying "they appear to help" any different than what I said in terms of certainty?
We don't have any double-blind studies to cite. We have a man with a form of cancer that is usually terminal who is surviving quite well. The only apparent difference between him and the ones who die is that he uses medicinal marijuana.


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3. I'd flee too, doesn't mean it's not illegal.
You sounded like you were deriding him for fleeing.


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4. Don't misappropriate the term "capital punishment," it's something I'm heavily involved in and I take it extremely seriously. In addition to being another topic for another time, this is what I'm talking about when I say that emotional misapplications of facts do not help OUR cause.
I'm not privy to your internal definition of that term. Loosely used, a jail sentence that's going to kill you could well be termed "capital punishment". It's punishment that results in death.


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5. I'm under the impression that inmates are allowed to take medications perscribed to them legally by a physican. Would marinol not have the same effect for him?
He has a Marinol prescription and he says it helps but is not nearly as effective as herbal cannabis. Most medical marijuana patients who have tried both find the herb works better. Marinol contains only THC. Medical marijuana patients find that some strains of weed work better for them than others, so the mix of chemicals in the herb makes a difference.
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Old 02-04-2006, 12:07 AM   #13
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My definition for capital punishment is the same as websters
n. the penalty of death for the comission of a crime
n. putting a convicted person to death

Both of these involve active roles by the state, not passive action such as denial of marijuana. I only take offense because I am involved in The Innocence Project, a national program supplying legal aid to death row inmates for whom recently discovered DNA evidence may serve to exhonorate. Just for the record, I am not an employee of the project, just a volunteer.
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Pardon my french, but where the HELL is the national media on this story? Steve Kubby was a mainstream politician in California who is now slowly dying in a California jail. He is absolutely not a threat to anyone other than those who wish to silence him. If this guy isn't a political prisoner then the term "political prisoner" means absolutely nothing.
PS. I think there are, like 40 different active chemicals in marijuana.
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