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Buzzby

You are responding to something I didn't say. I didn't say you have to be stupid to become addicted to something. I said you'd have to be stupid not to realize that you were becoming a drug abuser. The first time he get's sick from not getting whatever it is he's becoming addicted to, a person who's honest with himself would realize that he's becoming addicted. If he does something negatively out-of-character while under the influence, he'd have to be pretty stupid not to realize that he's got a problem. At that point a person has a choice to continue to use that substance or back off. Perhaps, rather than "stupid" I should have used "in denial", a kind of willful ignorance.

Addiction isn't hereditary. An inclination towards addiction might be hereditary. People with that inclination should have the good sense to be more careful about what they put into their bodies than those without the inclination.

If a person is addicted to something that he doesn't want to be addicted to, at some point he made a bad choice and has continued to make bad choices by not making the effort to eliminate the addiction. I refuse to believe that inanimate substances reach out and force people to use them. People make choices, good ones and bad ones. To say otherwise is to deny free will.

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TheNewGuy

And thats exactly what prohibition is doing, denying the people free will. You can't outlaw everything that might possibly cause someone to do something they might otherwise not do, just because they might make bad decisions. Its up to the individual to make decisions for him/herself, not the government. The governments job is to protect the people, not to act as the people's parent.

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"Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." ~P.J. O'Rourke

Buzzby

Desoxyn is not "meth-based". A Desoxyn tablet is 5 mg of pure methamphetamine hydrochloride..


Those aren't the components of methamphetamine. They're the precursors used by illicit labs. Any ills caused by them are a result of prohibition, not methamphetamine. If those things are a problem, legalization is the solution.


Could you tell me why you think meth prohibition works and marijuana prohibition doesn't? Prohibition doesn't stop drug abuse, it makes it more dangerous, more expensive (i.e. promotes theft), and keeps people from seeking help when they get into trouble.

MrIMStoned

Troublemaker, i TOTALLY agree with you on the statement about addiction being hereditary. Just because i have an addictive personality doesn't make me a moron. To say it's my fault that it happened i'm sure is partly true...but there's more to it. My mom's family of alcoholics is proof...and then there's my dad's who are all druggies...and where did i end up..strung out on cocaine by 15. I'm not using heredity as an excuse whatsoever...if it was i'd still be on all that ****.

I disagree that alcoholism is hereditary. The only link in studies that I have read are that children of alcoholics are more likely to become alcoholics. This is a far stretch from being predespositioned to become an alcoholic. Other studies indicate that people (mostly males) born from alcoholics may have a hypersensitivity to alcohol as a defense mechanism but that doesn't lead to addiction.

I know lots of people that grow up in alcoholic families and do not become alcholics. I know "druggie"(ugh) parents whose children are great successes.
It is entirely your own fault that you became addicted. Just because you have an addictive personality does not mean that you were destined to become an addict. It seems that it was mostly enviromental factors that influenced your drug taking decisions.

I believe you were a moron and became addicted to drugs. Then when you got smart, you quit.

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troublemaker_42

I mistyped...I didn't mean to imply alcoholism was directly inherited, but that a predisposition to alcoholism was common in families where alcoholism is present.

As for MRIMSTONED's comments, right now I'm not even going to comment, because, quite frankly you pissed me off. however, I will say even if poor decsions were made, i don't appreciate being called a moron, even in the past tense. When you've walked a mile in my shoes, you can comment on why you think I made the choices I have made. As it is, you know next to nothing about my situation.

 

oneluv4boognish

It wasn't you he was calling a moron...it was me. As far as me being a moron....same goes for me. Take a walk in my shoes...and find me another 25 year old that is as smart as i am.

You are right...it's the predisposition to the addictive tendency...atleast that's what i'm aware of.

Also, are we talking about crystal meth here or methamphetamine. I thought the two were different. I can't comprehend how anyone thinks we should condone ANYONE making meth. That's great...legalize it...and lets have the government make even bigger labs to produce the crap...and when it all explodes then what?

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oneluv4boognish

And to think that enough people have given you kudos to give you your ranking...

So i was a moron...and that's why i became addicted to drugs. So it's the "morons" that become addicted to drugs? A true MORON probably can't spell the word drug!

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=moron

Tolerance4all

Researchers Identify Alcoholism Gene

Alcohol Addiction, High Anxiety Linked to Same Gene By Jeanie Lerche Davis
WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
on Wednesday, May 26, 2004


May 26, 2004 -- A new study links a gene to alcohol addiction -- backing up a long-recognized pattern showing that alcoholism runs in families.


The finding also provides evidence that an inborn high level of anxiety is part of this picture. The study appears in this week's issue of the Journal of Neuroscience.

for full article http://www.webmd.com/content/article/87/99592.htm

Heroin addiction gene identified and blocked
15:00 31 May 2005
NewScientist.com news service
Jennifer Viegas

University of Maryland Center for Substance Abuse Research
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences

Scientists have not only identified a critical gene involved in heroin addiction relapse, but they have also successfully blocked it, eliminating cravings for the drug.

The study was conducted on heroin-addicted rats. But the researchers now think that, within a few years, better treatments will become available to human heroin users who cannot quit due to insidious cycles of relapse.

for full article http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7445

There is plenty of evidence that addiction is hereditary. And unless you have experienced addiction you cannot judge people on their decisions. It's part of the disease to lie to ones self and to those close to them. Anything to continue using. It usually takes a catastrophic or spiritual event to break the cycle of addiction.

troublemaker_42

thanks for the info dude

Tolerance4all

You are welcome