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Buzzby

The question you should be asking is, "Would I rather that all the meth anyone could want be produced by chemists in an environmentally safe laboratory or by tweakers in trailers with kids, guns, and toxic dumping?"

The latter situation is what we've got now. Keeping it illegal only makes the situation more dangerous in several ways.

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Be-all-things

Here is another possibility....how about throwing these drug makers in prison so long that they can't remember the last time they set foot on free ground?

oneluv4boognish

Then it wouldn't be Crystal...right?

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oneluv4boognish

The question i ask myself is "Would i rather the tweakers in trailers be able to get their tweak easier?" I'd rather it be illegal and them chance blowing themselves up.

walstmonky

Well, it's never worked before, and has been tried over and over. heck, how many people were executed in China for drug trafficking last year? Have you ever heard that trying the same thing over and over and over and expecting different results is a reasonable definition of insanity?

How about accepting the demonstrated reality that prohibition doesn't achieve the ends desired, and causes all sorts of social ills?

 

oneluv4boognish

Good point....but i could argue the "social ills" that are caused by those that abuse crystal meth. Will lifting the prohibition fix that?

Buzzby

There is no shortage of crystal meth. Having it illegal does nothing to limit the supply. Anyone who wants it can get it. If demand increases, they'll just make more.

Legalization would eliminate the violence associated with the drug trade. It would protect the environment from the toxic dumping associated with trailer park labs. It would eliminate the loss of life associated with labs blowing up. It would encourage addicts to seek treatment by removing the fear of being thrown in jail.

The downside? A few more people might try it and get addicted. As is always the case, prohibition creates far more pain and suffering than it alleviates.

Tokamak

What i'm wondering is how you think that crystal meth can be "manufactured in a safe environment" when it's a ticking time bomb...all i can figure is that if it was legalized and manufactured in a bigger meth lab than the ones that exist currently in some toilet in a backwoods trailer then the boom would just be bigger....do we really need that?

I'm sorry oneluv (I'm a Ween fan too), but this argument is absolute nonsense. Ever hear of the prescription drug Desoxyn? It's pure meth, manufactured currently by Ovation Pharma and Able Labs. The only reason meth labs are associated with explosions is because the chemicals and labware amature meth cooks use have to be found legally, meaning that their processes use unnecessarily dangerous chemicals and make-shift equipment. Meth, and every other drug manufactured legally by pharmaceutical companies, pose no risk of causing explosions because they are made by professonal chemists with access to the proper equipement and ingredients. My proof: when was the last time you heard about a pharmaceutical plant exploding? I've never heard of a single instance. Furthermore, meth has been around for a century, fueling both the Allies and the Axis soldiers in WWII. If the manufacturing process was so inherently dangerous, the untold millions of pills made during the war would have caused mass explosions. They didn't.

If meth, which IS legal with a prescription, were unschedualed and made available OTC (as it was for a number of years when it was first created), there'd be about as many people making it themselves as there are making their own dextromethorphan (none).

Peace.

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oneluv4boognish

Maybe i'm missing something....isn't there a difference between methamphetamine and crystal meth? Also....isn't there a difference between someone who gets a prescription for methamphetamine and someone who is smokin their tweak for nights on end?

Good lookin out mang...we can disagree...but as long as there's oneluv4boognish (no i'm not being narcissistic everyone) we'll be okay

Buzzby

Crystal is meth that has been crystalized, that's all. It's rep comes from the fact that the drug as a powder can be (and usually is) cut with anything. In order to crystallize it has to be fairly pure.

Let's keep this discussion in the realm of The Drug War. If we start getting into the characteristics of OT drugs we'll have to end it.