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johnnyd

Buzzby, that was indeed one of the best posts I've read in a long time. The question that comes up after reading that post is this: How do other conservatives view Buckley's approach to marijuana?
One more thing. There are alot of different types of conservatives.
There are fiscal conservatives (the old school conservatives).
There are neoconservatives (called neocons).
There are christian conservatives (by far the most dangerous of the whole lot).
And there are various mixtures of the three groups.(there are probably more variations).

 

Dennis

We have to reassure them and teach them. Trust me, many of the people I've met who claim to be conservatives don't have enough education to even know what it means to be a conservative. They just think they are conservative because they're Christian and they think that Christians are conservative. It's the biggest political "con" in the History of man.

Overcast32

I consider myself conservative for the most part - although I'm not a republican drone by any means. I disagree with many stances the conservatives have - mainly pot legalization.

As far as George Soros goes - I guess I'm glad to see someone throwing money at legalization, but I dont' trust that guy one bit. I'm not sure what his real agenda is, but I think it's not freedom.

Yes, I consider myself a true conservative - that's why I'm so damn pissed at the government. The constitution says we have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Well dammit, keeping pot illegal is infringing on my right to liberty. It's not harming anyone else's rights, so why is it an issue?

In all honestly, I think both Democrats and Republicans are sitting in Washington, sipping on their booze, smoking cigars while hookers sit on their laps - all the time laughing about how much money they are soaking from the public and how much money they made from their bookies and drug dealers.

They only keep pot illegal because it helps fatten the profits of the pharmeceutical companies (which I'm sure our "leaders" are WELL invested in) and keeps cash rolling in Via law enforcement. While at the same time, they can exploit the illegality of the drug trade to make money on the side from kickbacks from the largest of drug dealers. That would all go away if they legalized it - then the IRS and General Accounting Offices would have their nose in the money flow from pot, preventing our "leaders" from really making some fat rolls of cash.

The saying is so true... If you can't find a good reason for someone to be doing something otherwise - follow the money trail.

Buzzby

Whose constitution? Not the US Constitution! It's a line from the Declaration of Independence and has no standing as US law.

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johnnyd

Until he proves himself untrustworthy, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't have to fund this cause. He could be like all the other rich guys and fund museums or bird sanctuaries or the Boy Scouts. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

 

lilgrasshoppah

Does this twit EVER stop?

Now he's defending a member of the PARTNERSHIP for a Drug Free America?!

I'm reminded of a line from the movie The Sting: "What was I supposed to do - call him for cheating better than me, in front of the others?"

The Partnership is a coven of hypocrites and liars. Not only that, but they, (like all prohibitionist of their ilk) are renowned for stacking the deck in their favor. This is because prohibition can survive honest, rational debate. I mean, they've had how many years of practice... and they still trot out the same, old, tired, DISPROVED, propaganda!

Speaking of decks, inquiring minds want to know: does Cliff play with a full one? Because nothing he's said thus far makes me think he does. Oh wait... he's a prohibitionist, of course he doesn't.

Anyway, moving along...

On foreign policy issues, Soros is a big backer of the U.N. and opposes the Bush Administration’s war in Iraq and handling of the war on terrorism....

That's because George Bush has done such a fine job with the war in Iraq, and the war on terrorism, right? I forgot: key to being a Patriot in this Limbaugh/O'Reilly/Kincaid World, is drooling adoration of God/Emperor/President Bush. He does no wrong. Even when he is dishonest, incompetent, and dishonest about his incompetence. Case in point:

You won’t need an NSA surveillance program to know what’s going on in the Playboy Mansion on March 30

Uh... Cliff... President Bush is violating the constitution to perform those wire ta.... oh why am I wasting my time? Cliff has his head so far up Bush's ass, he knows what the Commander in Chief had for lunch!


Onward, and upward (pun intended!)

Having talked out his ass, covered Calvina's cowardly ass, and kissed his President's ass, Cliff now retreats to lying his ass off.

Richard Cowan never called Medical Marijuana a scam. He called Marijuana PROHIBITION a scam. And he predicted, quite correctly, that when people see the truth about medical marijuana, they will naturally infer the truth about all marijuana.

The list of eminent medical professional and organizations which support medical cannabis is lengthy and comprehensive. How is it possible that cannabis prohibition is a "scam" simply because one person made one joke about it, one time?

Cliff wraps it up with a nonsequiter screed about the psychotic things weed supposedly makes innocent little angels do. Like I've alluded to before, it's all "Reefer Madness" quotes, circa 1937. All that's missing is the racism.

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RL in IL

I get the feeling that this is about trying to make people fear George Soros? No American in their right mind would want to undermine the good traditional values and culture of America. I still don't see how George Soros would be doing that at this conference.


First thing that caught my eye. Promoting drug legalization? I don't think most Americans would be for legalizing all illegal drugs, if this is what the author thinks. Drugs are bad.


Lighter sentences for criminals? The other topics simply raised an eyebrow, but lighter sentences for criminals? What is the author getting at? Another red flag raised and I still don't understand what she is getting at.


Wow. That is a huge claim. I don't think most people today will care if this is true. Most people will have never heard of this before. The election is long over.


Okay, everyone has their own opinion on those things. Suggesting he is a big backer of the U.N. is supposed to also suggest he is corrupt, or that his interests are not in America's best interests?


This in itself is not an Earth-shattering revelation. Organizations get money one way or another. Interesting to note, but no big deal, right?


I think she meant this to also be a shock. It is not a shock that intelligent people in those positions would start organizations in a free society to get the truth out to as many people as possible, and to influence the right people they are right, especially if most of the facts point that way.


I don't know about anyone else, but MPP partnering with the Playboy Mansion and Tommy Chong doesn't sound good to me. It actually makes me personally think less of what MPP is doing. MPP is supposed to be a serious and trusted organization. I have faith in MPP and think of it as the most respectable organization out there. Partnering with the Playboy Mansion, and Tommy Chong, throws things out of whack in my opinion. Aren't there more serious people and enterprises out there that MPP can partner with? Or is this it.

I think it cheapens the seriousness of the issue for MPP to be prancing around with Playboy bunnies and Tommy Chong. Are MPP that sure they are close to winning this fight to risk these associations in public? Hugh Hefner is a playboy. What does he care about other people who might be sick or dying? He is rich and takes three or more women for himself like an Arab prince. He is no ordinary, everyday pot-smoking American. After seeing him gloat about himself on a late night TV talk show I can't see having much respect for him. Anyone else have an opinion about these people's strange association with MPP? Please don't turn MPP into a joke! They've made progress but there is so long to go.

-=--> However, I've just gone back and re-read the quote I'm commenting on, and noticed Hugh Hefner "planted the seed money" for the... drug legalization movement? I can't agree with that. Surely they must mean he planted seed money for the marijuana movement. Also, the way the author has described what might be going on at the Playboy Mansion sounds more tame than she insists. I will leave my initial thoughts on it above as an example of what someone that the author is trying to impose on may be led into thinking. <-=--


See what I mean? This makes me want to say Please go away, Hugh Hefner, Playboy Mansion and Playmates, and that No one is going to listen to them. This sounds like one big distraction to me. Don't let it turn out to be MPP's downfall.


Soon as the Playboy/Playmate crap is laid out, here comes the reefer madness. Please don't give these people the ammo to lead up to this, MPP!


IS THE PLAYBOY MANSION WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE?


Yeah, okay. (laughter)


I believe this is a quote taken out of context. The usage of the word "scam" in this paragraph is referring to the conspiracy that made marijuana illegal in the first place. Somehow it takes on a different connotation in this context.


Of course the medical marijuana clubs and dispensaries in California have had problems. It is a pioneering effort, there will be hits and misses. Eventually they should find an acceptable business model. It isn't surprising that those involved in dangerous illegal drugs might see a club/dispensary business like this as a cover. So the process continues to be refined as they weed out the greedy, uncaring undesireables of the business.


So she's taken things out of context before.


Did he get off on a lenient sentence because he said this? Here is where the reefer madness comes back, and continues to mount. There is more to the story than the author wants to let on about.


Something sounds askew with that sentence. I will rewrite it, and it will make more sense. Watch.

In a case that received national attention, Joseph Smith, the convicted killer of 11-year-old Carlie Brucia, tried to blame his criminal behavior on his abuse of drugs, including mixing deadly cocaine with marijuana.

This is no different from people who do similar crimes while abusing legal drugs such as the widely-available depressant, "alcohol".


Not condoning the age of the user, but isn't it true that the attacker was also abusing other drugs throughout his life along with the marijuana?


There must be more detail to the story than these few sentences. If the attacker was also using and/or abusing other drugs such as alcohol, Lisa Voice's argument falls flat.


The answer is because there is so much more to it than what the author has said.


Yes. Thank you.

solutions

Soros Open Society is actually a vehicle for the Dutch Royal Family to promote traditional Dutch values like free drugs, free speech, prostitution and gay sex.

The author of the article is actually closer to the uber-conspiracy than he realizes.

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Buzzby

Hugh Hefner and the Playboy Foundation have long been supporters of the legalization of marijuana and other causes that counter American anti-hedonism. I see nothing wrong with partying in a mansion with beautiful women. I'm just envious...

Tommy Chong is a cultural icon for a good-humored approach to marijuana. Medical marijuana is a serious thing. Recreational marijuana is a lot of fun. We shouldn't lose sight of that - the public certainly won't. He's a good match with the legalization movement for the same reason the feds decided to lock him up for nine months for selling bongs while letting the other 49 people arrested in the same sweep off with a fine.

RL in IL

I learn something new all the time. I guess I was mistaken that MPP's main focus and goal was medical marijuana only.


For some people, sure. Personally I feel more out of touch rather than envious.

What if you are a beautiful young woman already, who enjoys pot recreationally, but just does not agree with the whole idea of Playboy as well as thinking it is a sick idea to begin with? Then this Playboy Mansion party thing ends up looking like the worst idea in the world, and a man's thing to do.

Maybe there are a lot of men who are hard up who belong to MPP...? Maybe there is an overwhelming majority of single, non-medical marijuana using males behind MPP? Maybe it's a bunch of people who are married who don't believe in the idea of one man and one woman in a relationship, raising a family. Wow, this opens up a can of worms. I can see where the author of the article was kind of heading, now.


In my opinion, good humor is for everyone to enjoy and feel good humored about. He is a bit notorious for being crude and offensive. I'm not disagreeing with you and his association with the organization, knowing what I know now, but how about someone to complement him who has a similar good-humored approach to marijuana, but, is good natured as well?

It would be nice.