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Old 03-01-2006, 03:54 PM   #21
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Default sad news, HC.com

Well spoken, frenzy. I think we're going to be seeing alot more of this militant policing of this country, and our neighbors.

Rick, although I know it's difficult for all of us it must be 1000 times more so for yourself, but I know the community is grateful as a whole, being that safety is everyone's number 1 concern.

I do hope to see HC arise again, bigger and better! (or even just the same would be nice )

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Old 03-01-2006, 04:36 PM   #22
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Say Canada did jump on the band wagon with the U.S. government you still have a lot of states following California in legalizing medicinal marijuana. For those of you who haven't recognized, California sets a lot of the standards for the U.S. California has great influence in society, the American society.

Then of course you have Canada whos third largest export is hemp. Do you really think Canada is going to cut their third largest export to satisfy the U.S. "I think not" regardless of what party is running things. (Dairy being 1st, pork being 2nd, and "Hemp" being 3rd). Check it out, it's public information.

Canada isn't the major source for marijuana coming into the U.S. (it may be a contributing factor) but on a much smaller scale than our friends in the south, "MEXICO". How many tunnels do you think exist along the U.S./Mexican border? It's not illegal to construct these tunnels, there are no laws in place to say otherwise. So the question is how many tunnels? How many thousands of pounds of drugs, all drugs?

Last but not least, even if the U.S. and Canada teamed up together to fight the "so called war on drugs". Good luck! You've lost before the war was ever declared and you will never win. Ricardo Hernandez on MSNBC stated last night that the American people have a appetite for drugs and until that appetite is curved, it's a waste of time and money and lives.

So the only sensible solution to this is legalize marijuana, regulate and tax the product, take some of the revenue from this and form drug programs to educate.

Marijuana was put here by God for you and me. It comes from the earth, God created the earth. What more is there to see?

Meth/Crystal/Speed/ICE is a chemical created by man, a man with no soul who was driven by Satan to destroy mankind from the inside, and it's doing a pretty good job.

Show me the connection between the two................... don't waste your time because there isn't one.

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Old 03-01-2006, 06:08 PM   #23
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"Show me the connection between the two................... don't waste your time because there isn't one. "

They both alter your concience.
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Old 03-01-2006, 06:19 PM   #24
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The only reason MJ is targeted is because the general public can reproduce it by themsleves. There is no other reason. It's not cause it's illegal, cause you can find hundreds of anarchy websites still on the web.....how do you justify that?

Drug companies are financially feuling this fire. They want the pills and prescription drugs to run this world, so they can get fat and rich.

Why can they clone a sheep, and yet not figure out a way to cure cancer? I'll tell you why, cause there's no money in a cure, there's only money in the treatment. Why cure you with one dose of a purchased prescription when they can treat you with millions of dollars worth of prescriptions.
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Old 03-01-2006, 09:18 PM   #25
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Default You missed the point.

Because the two alter you conscience? You missed the point being made.

Not a correct comparison.

You are way out in left field (no disrespect).

Meth/Crystal/Speed/Ice is a chemical substance that has very negative/ permanent side effect with just using one time. The most harmful drug, and not just the damage it causes to the human body, but to the enviroment as well. It takes a HAZMAT Team to clean up labs constructed to manufacture the substance. The impact it has on the medical system from people that O.D. or being involved in accidents related to the substance. The orphans it creates, the homeless it creates, the violence it creates, the endless HELL it creates.

Now if you will explain to me a logical, sensible comparison between the two.

Like I stated before, there isn't one.
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Old 03-01-2006, 09:44 PM   #26
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the path less taken is always hard to follow, but I applaud you, rick, for your foresight.

...hc.com will reveg. I know it.


to all my friends from hc.com...please pm me here, and i'll forward you my yahoo instant messenger screenname.


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Old 03-01-2006, 10:38 PM   #27
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How many tunnels do you think exist along the U.S./Mexican border? It's not illegal to construct these tunnels, there are no laws in place to say otherwise.
Where did you get the idea that tunnels under international borders are legal? As soon as the tunnel crosses the border it's an illegal incursion into the USA for criminal purposes.


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Marijuana was put here by God for you and me. It comes from the earth, God created the earth. What more is there to see?
"Deadly nightshade was put here by God for you and me. It comes from the earth, God created the earth. What more is there to see?"

Bad argument, dude. All kinds of completely natural creations are deadly as could be.


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Meth/Crystal/Speed/ICE is a chemical created by man, a man with no soul who was driven by Satan to destroy mankind from the inside, and it's doing a pretty good job.

Show me the connection between the two................... don't waste your time because there isn't one.
1) They both alter your consciousness.
2) They're both illegal.
3) Both can be used for good or ill.

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Old 03-01-2006, 11:02 PM   #28
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Meth/Crystal/Speed/Ice is a chemical substance that has very negative/ permanent side effect with just using one time.
Methamphetamine is a drug that is prescribed for ADD, ADHD, and narcolepsy. I used it for years with no ill effects. Abuse of any drug, including marijuana, is not a good thing, but demonizing a chemical rather than its abuse is medieval.


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The most harmful drug, and not just the damage it causes to the human body, but to the enviroment as well.
The only time methamphetamine manufacture harms the environment is when it's illegal and made in clandestine laboratories. I assure you that Ovation, the manufacturer of the Desoxyn (methamphetamine hydrochloride tablets, USP) tablets I get from the drug store, does not in any way harm the environment. Federal regulations wouldn't permit it.

At different times, alcohol, opium, marijuana, morphine, LSD, and heroin have all been "the most dangerous drug" du jour. Unfortunately for those of us who need Desoxyn, it has become very difficult to find. Because of the current anti-meth mania, very few drug stores will stock it anymore. I have to go to hospital pharmacies or make do with less effective medicines.


Do you think we can get this thread back on track: the Overgrow.com situation?


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Old 03-01-2006, 11:37 PM   #29
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Default Still missing the point.

BUZZBY STATES: Methamphetamine is a drug that is prescribed for ADD, ADHD, and narcolepsy. I used it for years with no ill effects. Abuse of any drug, including marijuana, is not a good thing, but demonizing a chemical rather than its abuse is medieval. [/i]


Methamphetamine is not a drug prescribed for any illness or disease. I don't know where you get your information, but stating something as such is pure ignorance.

Ephedrine is used in some prescriptions, methamphetime is not.

Methamphetamine manufactured in tool sheds, garages, motel rooms, homes, next to schools, or anywhere it can have a devastating impact on it's surroundings. Anything chemically manufactured has serious side effects to the human body. Commercials for new drugs that come out everyday state this fact. But I'm sure you know this unless you never watch TV.

BUZZBY STATES: The only time methamphetamine manufacture harms the environment is when it's illegal and made in clandestine laboratories.


My point exactly..


BUZZBY STATES: Where did you get the idea that tunnels under international borders are legal? As soon as the tunnel crosses the border it's an illegal incursion into the USA for criminal purposes.


There are no laws in federal or state level stating that it is illegal to tunnel under any border in this country.
Right now at this very moment Congress and Senate are writing a bill that would make it illegal to do so.
Several nights ago with Hannity and Colmes this was the topic discussed. So I had to check it out for myself at the local University law library and it is a true fact. There currently are no laws stating it is illegal to tunnel under any U.S. border.

Freedom of speech is a precious gift, but to abuse it with fallacies abuses the freedom.

Thank you for your time....

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About how Overgrow.com bust has affected us please read BUZZBY'S interview with RICK here
http://www.marijuana.com/420/showthread.php?t=44554
His decission was made with all of us in mind and he deserves the HIGHEST RESPECT and the thanks for all he has done for the MJ community.

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