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Schedule I
(a) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(b) The drug or other substances has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(c) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.


Schedule II
(a) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(b) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States or a currently accepted use with severe restrictions.
(c) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence.

See: http://bfa.sdsu.edu/ehs/deasched.htm

Ded, please explain your reasons for not moving Cannabis from Schedule I to Schedule II.

 

Terrapintom

Hopefully the governemnent will be forced by the courts or an Act of Congress to re-evaluate Marijuana'a status under the Controlled Substances Act of 1970.

When the issue is studied fairly and accurately it should be correctly classified under Schedule lll or lV. This is because it has no lethal overdose potential, thus far less dangerous than other Schedule ll drugs like morphine and cocaine, not to mention Diladid and Percodan.

I realize moving marijuana anywhere out of Schedule l status requires a Herculan effort and major policy change from the both DEA & FDA. Why would we want to move this substance into yet another unrealistic catagory where it really does not belong?

Terrapintom

Lets look at Schedule II a little closer relating to marijuana:

(a) The government sees any use as abuse. Big big problems getting around that one considering the amount of folks using recreationally. Probably the largest hurdle to overcome. Just like Clinton had to have the word "is" re-defined, the word "abuse" needs to be correctly applied and defined. If not, then Schedule II is the best we can ever hope for.

(b) States that have passed medical marijuana laws need to band together and force the government to admit accepted medical use does indeed currently exist. If necessary another 19 or so states to go and we can pass a Constitutional Amendment.
I have a problem with the "severe restriction " clause.
Example. Class II drugs are not prescibed as often as needed due to the DEA scrutiny on doctors issuing these types of prescriptions. My wife suffers very severe menstrual cramps. There are 2 substances that ease her pain sufficiently. She has been repeatedly denied Percodan by her physician even though he knows this substance works well for her. The 2nd substance is marijuana. Although it is not nearly as effective for this type of pain relief it allows her to get out of bed and proceed with her daily activities.
My point here is that the severe restriction clause will hinder many of the other lesser medical benefits marijuana can help with. This is but one reason I advocate rescheduling marijuana to Class III or IV.

(c) The DEA & FDA both refuse to recognize valid medical studies pertaining to marijuana. If past and current research is looked at and accepted in an objective manner, then it will be accurately shown that no physical dependence is apparent and only mild psychological dependence may develop.
If this is indeed the case as most of us here within this forum surely know, then marijuana does not belong in Schedule II.

dedbr

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Terrapin...

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From my previous post....


Cannabis is a schedule one drug. That means it has no medicinal value and is prone to abuse and addiction. That's the way the government look's at it- period. But is it really?

Possesion of cocaine is a felony punishable by prison time. Possesion of heroin is punishable by prison time for simple possesion. Possesion of meth is punishable by prison time here in Ohio for any amount. Any amount, OK?

Possesion of up to over seven ounces of herb is a misdemeanor of the fourth degree punishable by a fine of a hundred bucks. Now any sensible person would look at this and say, something must be wrong, how could herb be classed with all these other "drugs" but not be anywhere near the same penalties? Hell, you can even give it away and not go to jail. How could this be?

Because the lawmakers already know, folks. The police do too. It's not a secret, herb is harmless. The only damage from herb is from being busted.
Yep, it's that simple. They already know it. What else would explain herb being such a minor offense when it's classed with all those bad "drugs."

Now comes "medical marijuana." If it's medicine, then use it that way, but we're taking a hell of a chance in my opinion. What about that bright bulb on the anti's side who say's, "OK, you want it to be medicine, we'll make it medicine. You have to go to the doctor and get a script and then get it filled and hope it's enough to last till the next script can come. You can't sell it, you can't socialize, you can't have any fun, you can't get stoned, it will be just like taking a vitamin. Happy now, hippy? You can have your medicine but we still get to pull your chain and your right's."

Now I'm going to really pull the rug out from under the whole mess. Medical marijuana is just a backdoor excuse for people to get away with using herb and not getting busted. Just as simple as that. Oh, we can say whatever we want, but it's just like Buzzby say's, "A rose by any other name..."

We have medical marijuana in 11 states and it's a disaster. No one is smart enough to write a law to explain where the herbs supposed to come from. No one wants to talk about the fine delivery system that's already set up by "dealer's" that would only be more than glad to take up the slack until a taxed business could be set up. But that's only going to happen if we legalize!

And that's what makes me so mad. We are one step from total legalization of the herb, and some numb nuts comes up with "medical marijuana." Of course we said that the people would laugh at us, and say "Oh, thats just an excuse to get weed for free, Hippy." And they certainly do. But we had to look at the far reaching implications, and they don't look good,folk's. Not to this Dedbr, anyway.

But if you all want, we could go back to the way it was here in Ohio in 1974. Possesion of a seed could put you in prison for 1 year, first offense. 1 year.
If we really turn herb into a "medicine", it could be that way again.

Everybody that want's that , raise your hand.....

Nothin' but clown love.....Ded

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dedbr

I was going to let this one go , Buzz, but you know me, I'm just a glutton for punishment. Here I go.....

How about this.....you make a plan. You first decide what the problem is. What's the problem? Herbs illegal. How are you going to change this? Why is it illegal? Fear maybe. So, take away the fear. Put a joint in everyones hand. Let them smell it and hold it and inhale it. Get to know it. Get to know people who smoke it or can get some for them.
What will this take? A distribution system on the scale of a huge corporation, financing to keep it going and an army of salesmen to distribute the product and dispell at the same time any negative press associated with your product. In other words, your own propaganda to fight theirs.
Are we going to employ long haired hippys as main distributors for our product? No. We are going to use clean cut, well dressed, well mannered young men who are upwardly mobile.
Do they make money? Of course. The consequences for mistakes can be costly.

Now, after years of product dispersal, your market has grown expotentially, several legal rulings have gone in your favor and you are confident that you are ready for legalization. But how, you say, Ded?
Simple sports fans, and we already have an example to use as a model.

Nevada. Thats right, legalized gambling.

We pick one state, one desperately poor state, that has no population, no state funds, no state resources, and we buy it, just like the mob did with Nevada. We have herb made legal. The state turns into the next Nevada, money starts pouring in, soon the Indian tribes are doing it and our fight is basically over.

We could even have a company slogan...."If it has lip's, we want a joint in them."

So ya see Buzz, the plan has been in place for years, it's just not a good idea to blab it all over hell and creation before we pick a state. Can anybody say New Mexico? Oooops, ya didn't hear that from me......

Ded

 

Terrapintom

You make a lot of sense there dedbr, I gotta agree. By the way, I thought the legal limit in Ohio was 100 grams.

It makes you think about what would happen if alcohol and tobacco were illegal today. There's no way the government could endorse these 2 substances as safe to use given today's climate of moral righteousness and liability suits.

Like the Dutch tolerance model, de-crim would allow the government to permit use with out actually having to endorse or accept cannabis as "safe."

One issue simple de-drim won't solve though is the issue of OVI laws concerning cannabis. An effective truthful means of gauging impairment from marijuana intoxification needs to be established. Legislation allowing states to convict drivers with any amount of THC in the body is ludicrous at best. Even with de-crim enacted this outlandish enforcement stands to unjustly ruin the livelyhood of users.

dedbr

that in some instances a driver's license suspension also could be tacked onto that possesion charge.

OVI is another issue that will be dealt with in court as soon as they nail someone rich enough to afford the law firm to shoot it down....

Ded

Terrapintom

Just for the record: I agree with your post concerning the medical marijuana issues. I respectfully disagree with the notion presented in Post #15. It does not sound like a practical viable solution.

dedbr

I don't think we have a choice about that anymore, Tom. Especially since we seem to be in that exact same situation. Ded

Buzzby

I'll second that. The reason pot isn't being sold door-to-door is because 2/3 of the people contacted would immediately call the cops and have the salesman arrested. (2/3 of people surveyed thought marijuana should be illegal.) OK. Maybe 2/3 is an exaggeration. If 1-in-10 turned in the salesman the plan would have a very short career.

Actually, ded, you presented this before as "tell them it's as harmless as tea and alters consciousness the same amount tea does". Then, "Surprise!", they get high and love it and herb would be legalized. Nice fantasy. I took it as one of your better jokes. I had no idea you were serious.

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