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chronic2

You don't like the laws, then change them.
Do you know what I find ironic about that statement? That's the same thought pattern a repeat child molester has.

 

Buzzby

In 1939 it was the law in Germany that you couldn't hide your Jewish neighbors from the concentration camps. You, of course, would have turned them all in because it was the law.

Just because a law is on the books doesn't make it good or moral.

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FreeUpJahCure

[quote] "Just because a law is on the books doesn't make it good or moral."

That effectively sums that up.

Constants

I'm assuming you're referring to me. It isn't the fact that I was arrested that bothers me. That doesn't bother me at all. I've been arrested before, it's no big deal. It's the fact that the police *lied* and *exagerated* the situation and "street value" of the substance in my possession in order to hold a case against me.

Cops aren't "just doing their job" when they misrepresent and distort the truth or any other information presented to the public, either in news papers, press releases or any other form of media. Cops aren't "just doing their job" when they lie, exagerate, or intentionally provide misinformation on legal documents and in Court.

This isn't about me being "disgruntled" about getting busted. This is about the fact that the police are willing to (and do) lie, exagerate, and distort context/situation in order to legitimize and glorify their actions or operations.

You must be a cop, right? I suppose you tolerate corruption where you're from.

I sure as hell don't.

My respect and trust for the police is currently in the negative integars. Just two weeks ago, one of the officers from my town (who was not named, "in order to protect the identity of the victim" says the police) for assault on a woman and her CHILD*. Also note that there was almost zero local media coverage concerning that; Only one third-page article that was less than two paragraphs in length, compared to almost three days worth of front-page cover when they made the butter-fly knife bust. Almost five weeks ago, in Trenton I believe, an off duty police officer beat up three KIDS who accidently hit his car with one of their bicycles. Also, almost zero media coverage. When police get nervous, they don't care about any one but themselves, and their job. They're willing to do just about any thing to keep their badge nice and shiney, even if it was themselves that feciated all over it.

At any rate, I motion to end this discussion before it veers to far off topic.

chronic2

I'm glad that you're proud of your anti social behavior. Did you enjoy your stay in jail also?

No, but you don't have to be a cop to enjoy the peace and tranquility that an area with a low crime rate as a result of good police work provides. You see, law enforcement is not your enemy (well in your case maybe). They are men and women who have chosen a profession of service to the community in which they live in. They don't like gun battles or fights with drunks anymore than you or I do. They have chosen to be the guardians of justice and social calm. So, instead of hating them, you should be thanking them.

 

Mamabudz

Let's get back to the 37 butterfly knives in strategic locations

... I know folks who have fabulous knife collections... they are very into "Edge play".

They keep those knives in All Sorts of strategic locations.

So how many freedom within the confines of the nctity of ones home are we trampling on here?

Constants

Thanking them for intentionally lying and making up false accusations? You don't seem to understand the concept I'm putting forward. I don't hate cops. I have no problem with police. I have a problem with c-o-r-r-u-p-t-i-o-n. Is that a new word for you? It must be. See, when "police" are "corrupt", they are no longer "police", they're simply government funded scum, no better than the people they arrest.

I broke the law; I expect to be punished for that, however; there is a distinct difference between exacting "justice", and lying through your god damned teeth to maintain charges against some one. Or miscontruding statements and facts to glorify and legitimize their actions.

Do you comprehend what I'm getting at?

Here's a hypothetical situation:

OKAY: I'm walking down the street with a joint in my hand, I get pulled aside by an officer on bicycle patrol. He arrests me, confiscates my goods, lays some possession charge on me, I pay a fine, off we go on our seperate ways.

NOT OKAY: I'm walking down the street with a joint in my hand, I get pulled aside by an officer on bicycle patrol. He arrests me, confiscates my goods, lays some possession charge on me, lies about the quantity, and greatly exaggerates the "street value", which exorbantly increases the fine, and may require additional parol/community service, which in turn means a far greater period of time spent in court. Six months in court, and about $1450 for a decent legal defence.

There's a differance between doing your "job", and intentionally ruining people's lives.

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walstmonky

I had a hearing yesterday. Quite an event for me nowadays, as even motor vehicle infractions are rare as hen's teeth in my life nowadays (knock wood). Well, I'm not saying I never break the law and I sure went downtown to plead guilty and take my medicine. I had actually called the cop a 'dick' while I was being written up, and so also intended to apologize to him. When the case was called, the cop actually 'testi-lied'. The events surrounding the incident bore little resemblence to what happened that day. I thought 'if he does this in a case like this where I've already pled guilty, what must he do when there are actually substantial facts in question?'. Despite his best attempts my disposition was a PBJ, so no fine, no court costs, and assuming I can make it 3 months without another infraction, no bump to my insurance. I have noted that the judges/hearing officers really like to hear someone admit to the offence and ask for lenience. I suppose the 11 years of incident free driving (actually longer, but the state doesn't keep records) might have made a difference as well. BTW, no apology to the cop, my impression at the scene was correct. Of course still would have been better kept to myself.