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Old 03-20-2006, 09:21 AM   #1
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Default USA: W.House pushes more schools to drug-test students

W.House pushes more schools to drug-test students
Andy Sullivan | Herald News Daily | March 19, 2006

WASHINGTON - Student athletes, musicians and others who participate in after school activities could increasingly be subject to random drug testing under a program promoted by the Bush administration.

White House officials say drug testing is an effective way to keep students away from harmful substances like marijuana and crystal methamphetamine, and have held seminars across the country to promote the practice to local school officials.

But some parents, educators and school officials call it a heavy-handed, ineffective way to discourage drug use that undermines trust and invades students‘ privacy.

"Our money should be going toward educating young people, not putting them under these surveillance programs," said Jennifer Kern, a research associate at the Drug Policy Alliance, a non-profit group that has frequently criticized U.S. drug policy.

Requiring students to produce a urine sample or hair sample for laboratory testing is a relatively recent tactic in the United States‘ decades-long "War on Drugs," along with surveillance cameras and drug-sniffing dogs in school hallways.

Adults in the military and many workplaces have long been subject to testing, but U.S. courts have ruled that public schools cannot impose random tests on an entire student body.

The Supreme Court ruled in 1995 that schools can randomly test student athletes who are not suspected of drug use, and in 2002 ruled that all students who participate in voluntary activities, like cheerleading, band or debate, could be subjected to random tests.

Since then, the Bush administration has spent $8 million to help schools pay for drug testing programs. The White House hopes to spend $15 million on drug-testing grants in the next fiscal year.

Roughly 600 school districts now use drug tests out of about 15,000 nationwide, according to officials from the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.

White House officials liken drug testing to programs that screen for tuberculosis or other diseases, and said students who test positive don‘t face criminal charges.

The threat of a drug test also helps students resist peer pressure, said John Horton, an associate deputy director at the drug-control office.

"If I‘m at a party and somebody says, ‘Hey, do you want a hit of dope?‘ if I can look at that person and say, ‘No, I can‘t,‘ then that‘s one more tool to say no," Horton said at a recent drug-testing conference in Virginia.

Critics say the White House‘s emphasis on testing comes at the expense of counseling, treatment and education programs.

Studies are mixed on the programs‘ effectiveness. Several individual schools reported declines in student drug use after implementing random testing, and a survey of 65 Indiana principals found drug use decreased at more than half of the schools where testing occurred.

But a 2003 national survey of 76,000 students found no difference in drug use between schools that test students and those that don‘t.

Illicit drug use remained steady among high school students between 1997 and 2004, with roughly half of high school seniors saying they had tried illicit drugs at some point, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

Several school administrators said the White House presentation had persuaded them of the benefits of random testing. But Baltimore social worker Karen Harris-Waites said many in her school district would probably see a mandatory program as too intrusive.

That‘s happened in other school districts. Williamsburg, Virginia, decided to adopt a voluntary testing program earlier this month instead of a mandatory program.

And Roanoke County, Virginia, rejected a mandatory program in 2004. "It just seems to be very intrusive," said Roanoke County parent Larry Morgan. "Just because they say you can do something doesn‘t mean it‘s good policy."
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:19 PM   #2
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""If I‘m at a party and somebody says, ‘Hey, do you want a hit of dope?‘ if I can look at that person and say, ‘No, I can‘t,‘ then that‘s one more tool to say no," Horton said at a recent drug-testing conference in Virginia."


why does the person need drug tests to help them say no???


I don't get drug tests, and I always say no when people offer me alcohol, cocaine, speed etc.......


also no one has ever asked me if I wanted a hit of dope, people have said, hey you wanna go smoke some dope, but never offered "a hit of dope"

i know i have debated about this before here, and dope (which means heroin where I grew up in Chicago, but also means weed,) but a hit of dope????
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Old 03-20-2006, 02:25 PM   #3
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I think drug testing should be manditory for administration officials. I'd be far more concerned about the people with the power they weild being high than I would the backup 2nd basemen for the highschool baseball team.
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Cool Oh good....

another reason for high school kids to not get involved in school activities.

And what is the governments obsession with the tinklers of our children? Isn't it bad enough that these people have to aggravate us with this crap, now it's the kids?

I think enough's enough, huh folks? Home schooling looks like a very real option in the future for the parents of America.

I wonder if the government knows how bad it's alienating the citizens of this country? It's no wonder no one votes anymore. Even voters who are registered don't show up. Pitiful.

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Old 03-20-2006, 09:09 PM   #5
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White House officials say drug testing is an effective way to keep students away from [strike]harmful substances like marijuana and crystal methamphetamine[/strike]
Healthy activity's like sports.

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Adults in the military and many workplaces have long been subject to testing
Yeah and that a bunch of bullshit too. How is it any of your business if I smoke a bowl after I get home from working for you? Did I smoke on your shitty job? No I smoked after. Come up with a test that only measures If I'm getting high on the job and sure I'll take it. No problem.

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The Supreme Court ruled in 1995 that schools can randomly test student athletes who are not suspected of drug use, and in 2002 ruled that all students who participate in voluntary activities, like cheerleading, band or debate, could be subjected to random tests.
There goes all your smart debaters and creative band members...

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Since then, the Bush administration has spent $8 million to help schools pay for drug testing programs. The White House hopes to spend $15 million on drug-testing grants in the next fiscal year.
He just can't keep his hands out of the cookie jar. More National Dept anyone??

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White House officials liken drug testing to programs that screen for tuberculosis or other diseases, and said students who test positive don‘t face criminal charges.
No, maybe not criminal charges but they'll probably kick them out of school. Real smart guys. Let's screw up their education because they smoked pot.

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The threat of a drug test also helps students resist [strike]peer pressure, said John Horton, an associate deputy director at the drug-control office.[/strike]
...School / sports / extra curricular activities. If I like Mary Jane more than I like these things (which I personally do... well I do kind of like school more. But just a tad) I'm not going to put myself in a situation where I may get into trouble.

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"If I‘m at a party and somebody says, ‘Hey, do you want a hit of dope?‘ if I can look at that person and say, ‘No, I can‘t,‘ then that‘s one more tool to say no," Horton said at a recent drug-testing conference in Virginia.
Oh so we're still using fear to control.


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Studies are mixed on the programs‘ effectiveness. Several individual schools reported declines in student drug use after implementing random testing, and a survey of 65 Indiana principals found drug use decreased at more than half of the schools where testing occurred.
Maybe because they all quite before they could get tested??
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Old 03-20-2006, 09:42 PM   #6
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Yeah and that a bunch of bullshit too. How is it any of your business if I smoke a bowl after I get home from working for you? Did I smoke on your shitty job? No I smoked after. Come up with a test that only measures If I'm getting high on the job and sure I'll take it. No problem.
What we really need is some lawsuit that will establish that private companies can't require the right to violate employee's rights as a condition of employment. Too bad it'll never happen considering all the idiots out there who think corporations should be able to do whatever they want as long as they turn a profit.
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The government, through the school system, is teaching children that they don't trust them. The parents, through the school system, are teaching children that the government is pretty much always right.

You know what they say, to those who are given trust, they will be trustworthy.

I hope nobody is surprised when in a generation our kids throw their parents and grandparents to the wolves on issues like social security and medicare.
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