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Buzzby

Don't put words in my mouth! I said nothing of the sort. The officers who make arrests are not making policy. They're following the directives that come down from above, ultimately from elected civilian politicians.


Wow! You need your meds adjusted! What we hear from police officers is that marijuana is a minor concern. Police officers are human beings with all the feelings that human beings have. You are taking the same tack talking about police officers as the "Reefer Madness" loonies took about pot smokers.


"Wrong" is a highly relative term and depends almost entirely upon where you're standing. Police officers have a primary obligation to enforce the law, as they have sworn to do.

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Tolerance4all

Tolerance4all

That may or may not happen again. I would think that now that there has been some publicity it would be more difficult to convict. There was a lot of news from the jury. If they had known it was medical Cannabis and not just a drug dealer they would have acquited Ed.

Darque Pervert

Any prosecutor wants to rack up convictions that result in jail time. It increases their credibilioty as a prosecutor and helps to further their political aspirations or their ability to get a position with prestigious firms in the private sector.

The government propganda that is rammed down our throats says taht they're removing the bad elements from society. The unjust laws that they are enforcing and prosecuting also say that they are removing bad elements from society. The truth says otherwise as we all know, but the truth isn't the mandate for prosecutors.

Confiscation of contraband without any fines, jailtime or prosecution may seem like terror tactics to you, but to someone who is knowingly committing an illegal act, it's a friggin' godsend! Is it inconsistent? No. Is it better for the medical users? You better believe it! The only punishment they face is the need to replace their medication!

Do this: Next time you get pulled over for speeding and the cop decides to let you off with a warning, you should demand a citation so you can be treated equally.


This is whacked. There may be differences in the effects of indica vs sativa for relieving various symptoms. The question of potency could also play a part.
But I seriously doubt that Purple Haze is going to help relieve pressure from glaucoma while White Widow is better for chronic back pain (as an example). Show me credible evidence that says otherwise, and I'll correct myself.

Tolerance4all

As for the godsend part. Thats like saying. The cops beat the hell out of me. But at least they didn't arrest me. The patients are knowingly breaking the law because the alterative is a life with no relief from pain, nausea, spasms ect. I am not talking about criminals looking for financial gain or who prey on the weak. I am talking about people who are harming no one. Who in a compassionate world would never have to face arrest for using a plant to improve their quality of life. Some on this forum are hung up on the letter of the law. This at the expense of nonviolent, otherwise law abiding citizens. Laws are written by men thus subject to mistakes, self interests ect. I feel no compulsion to blindly follow a law, or meekly go to prison (or not, as for this topic) for laws that I know are fundamentally wrong. No one should spend a second in a cage for using their substance of choice.

As for the second part. How can I give credible evidence when research is controlled by the goverment? In other words. No research.

However, I base my statement on ancedotal evidence provided by patients. And I believe, I have not been able to locate the article, that Dr. Robert Melameade explained this by showing the different ratios of THC to CBD's in different strains. If the patients themselves observe efficacy differences in strains. Thats good enough for me. After all they are the ones suffering. If they believe it, then regardless the science they deserve to get what helps them the most.

 

Tolerance4all

I still haven't found the article by Dr. Melameade. I did find the following.

Dr. Geoffrey Guy, founder of GW Pharmaceuticals in the UK, spoke on matching medicinal cannabis strains with symptoms. His company is testing cannabis extracts that are higher in THC and lower in cannabidiol versus extracts that are lower in THC and higher in cannabidiol versus extracts that have an equal THC to cannabidiol ratio. This is some of the most exciting research headed our way because under-the-tongue spray preparations are currently undergoing clinical trials in the UK and may be on the market next year, plus GW Pharmaceuticals is committed to using a whole plant extract rather than synthetic products.

The full article is a good one: http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/22/bayer.html

Dr. Lester Grinspoon:

Now that the federal government has embarked on a cruel and so far successful campaign to close down buyers' clubs, what options are available to the many thousands of patients who find cannabis of great importance, even essential, to the maintenance of their health? They can either use Marinol, which most find unsatisfactory, or they can break the law and use marijuana. Why is a government, which considers itself compassionate ("compassionate conservatism"), criminalizing these patients? What is the government's problem with medical marijuana? The problem, as seen through the eyes of the government, is the belief that, as growing numbers of people observe relatives and friends using marijuana as a medicine, they will come to understand that this is a drug which does not conform to the description the government has been pushing for years. They will first come to appreciate what a remarkable medicine it really is; it is less toxic than almost any other medicine in the pharmacopoeia; it is, like aspirin, remarkably versatile; and it is less expensive than the conventional medicines it displaces. They will then begin to wonder if there are any properties of this drug which justify denying it to people who wish to use it for any reason, let alone arresting more than 700,000 citizens annually. The federal government sees the acceptance of marijuana as a medicine as the gateway to catastrophe, the repeal of its prohibition. Insofar as the government views as anathema any use of plant marijuana, it is difficult to imagine it accepting a legal arrangement that would allow for its use as a medicine, while at the same time vigorously pursuing a policy of prohibition for any other use.

See:http://www.cannabishealth.com/issue_05/issue_05.html

What the goverment is doing is wrong. Any attempt to justify there actions is in total disregard of basic human decency. If these patients grow, or have some one grow for them, a plant that allows them a modicum of relieve from their syptoms, whos business is it? They are causing no harming. They should receive no harm.

Buzzby

I would disagree. We all want to change the laws and some of us are spending a great deal of our time and funds to do so. What you take as being "hung up on the letter of the law", I take as dealing with the current reality of our legal situation.

Yeah, the laws are bad. We all know that. What's the point of repeating it endlessly? You can only say, "Ain't it awful!" so many times.

Tolerance4all

"Ain't it awful!" that sick people are being persecuted for seeking relief from terminal illness!!!!!!

Tolerance4all

We are not talking about getting high for pleasure. And the laws are bad because I should be able to get high, if I want. We are talking about people who live a life filled with pain and misery without Cannabis. How dare you trivialize the pain and misery being heaped on them by the goverment and their agents? They don't deserve to be treated like this. I don't care if it has to be said a trillion times. It needs to be said that the laws are bad, until the laws are changed. These people deserve to be treated with support and understanding. Not raids where their doors are kicked in and guns pointed at their loved ones. Every day that they gain relief from their maladys is one less day in hell. How can anyone support an action that causes misery to those already living in misery? Would you say, to a MS patient, to their face, that they should count their blessings that they were not sent to prison? What a choice. I can live my life in pain without Cannabis or I can live my life in pain in jail. And you say that if we just stop bitching about the bad laws it will get better. Even if it does get better. Where does that leave the terminally ill patients? Living in misery until the laws are changed. Good plan!

Buzzby

The reality is that possession and distribution of marijuana is illegal under federal law. The reality is that the DEA will enforce the laws, at least to some extent. The reality is that they refrained from arresting these people and merely confiscated the contraband, giving them a hell of a break, one I wish I'd gotten when I got busted.

We all agree that marijuana prohibition is bad law and that it hurts people who have done nothing to harm anyone else. To expect law enforcement agencies not to enforce the laws that are on the books is ludicrous. Endlessly repeating how awful the laws are doesn't move anything in the direction of changing them.

The question is, are you doing anything beyond crying about how awful it is on a Marijuana.com forum where everyone already agrees with you?