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Old 04-04-2006, 05:16 AM   #11
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of course you could always get invovled and VOTE to have the law changed.
Exactly, I agree.
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Old 04-04-2006, 02:20 PM   #12
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Logical or not, fair or not, the kid knew the law and chose to break it. If this 17 year old kid had been instead a 47 year old drifter who just hopped off the boxcar would there be so much fuss? I doubt it. Residents would be glad to get the drifter away from the school.

If you don't like a law, lobby to change it. Apparently the people in Berkshire County felt it was a good law at the time it passed. If people think that penalties should be case sensitive, lobby to change that.

Just because some likable 17 year old kid broke the law and people feel sorry for him now, doesn't diminish the fact that he knew what he was doing was wrong and against the (current) law at the time he did it.

I don't know, I grew up in a different time. We were taught to take punishment and responsibility for our wrongdoings. We weren't coddled and mommy and daddy didn't come to our rescue. "Spare the rod and spoil the child". Now kids start with a "time out". God forbid you should ever spank a kid. just give 'em a good talking to, that'll do it. Take away the X-box, car keys, cell phone for a while. Oh yea, blame the homeowner if a kid gets hurt while breaking into a home.

Sorry, I went off a bit there. I just think ignorance of the law, disagreement with a law or 1 year shy of majority is absolutely NO EXCUSE to get off with a lighter sentence.

That is sort of the entire reason for this website isn't it? To gather support to lobby to change laws? Not to feel sorry for a kid who didn't have enough sense to NOT sell near a school for Pete's sake.
"While some might argue a law is a law and needs to be upheld, those in the crowd say cases should be looked at individually.

"Some district attorneys use them to gain leverage when they have arrests involving serious drugs and crimes. In this case we just believe he's applied the law in the bad way,” said Whalen.

And while they asked for justice, those in attendance say it's not a stance against the district attorney's office, but rather against the law.
“We’ve got to take a stance on crime, but you also have to use your wisdom on where you put the hammer down and where you give compassion," Mechare said."


Did you finish reading the article?

From what I have read the NARC more or less begged him. They were in a parking lot across form a school , at night. The NARC even lead him toward the school to make sure it would be a bust within the parameters set by the law.

More than likely the young man thought he was helping a friend. Not selling for profit. In my circles when I was that age we bought in quanity so we could split it up and save money. I'm sure if we had been caught one of us would have been prosecuted for dealing. Would that have been fair?

I can't see why some of you keep hammering those who speak out against unjust laws. Sure if you get caught you have to face up to the punishment given. However are you saying you should just go quietly? You shouldn't speak out againist a bad law because you are being prosecuted for the violation of that law. Where's the logic in that? Are you suppose to roll over and play dead? Considering drug use is a victimless crime I believe we have every right to stand up and say that we are being unjustly prosecuted for doing no harm. And we should declare to the world that it is abhorent to place human beings in a cage for doing no harm.

Please explain how going quietly to jail is going to change the law? There would not even be an article in the news. You wouldn't even here about it.
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Old 04-04-2006, 05:18 PM   #13
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The time to speak out against an unjust law is BEFORE you are charged with breaking it. Otherwise, you just look like you have that "good for everyone else but me" syndrome.

Look at the laws where you live and see which you do not agree with, then lobby to have them changed. You cannot change a law to fit an offender after he has offended.

Yea, I thought about the fact that he sold to an undercover near the school. It sounded like they were trying to compound the charges by adding the school zone. I agree with that, but the kid could have said "no, lets go to the C-store down the road".

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I can't see why some of you keep hammering those who speak out against unjust laws. Sure if you get caught you have to face up to the punishment given.
I am not hammering you, I just realize that no one will solve or change anything by whining after the fact.

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Please explain how going quietly to jail is going to change the law? There would not even be an article in the news. You wouldn't even here about it.
After the hype has died down from this particular case are you personally going to continue to try to change this particular law? If not, you should probably not jump on the bandwagon now only to hop off after it goes around the corner. Giving lip service here solves nothing. If you don't agree with this law, then let me read about you doing something to change the law shortly in the future.
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The time to speak out against an unjust law is BEFORE you are charged with breaking it. Otherwise, you just look like you have that "good for everyone else but me" syndrome.

Look at the laws where you live and see which you do not agree with, then lobby to have them changed. You cannot change a law to fit an offender after he has offended.

Yea, I thought about the fact that he sold to an undercover near the school. It sounded like they were trying to compound the charges by adding the school zone. I agree with that, but the kid could have said "no, lets go to the C-store down the road".



I am not hammering you, I just realize that no one will solve or change anything by whining after the fact.



After the hype has died down from this particular case are you personally going to continue to try to change this particular law? If not, you should probably not jump on the bandwagon now only to hop off after it goes around the corner. Giving lip service here solves nothing. If you don't agree with this law, then let me read about you doing something to change the law shortly in the future.
I write to newspapers on a weekly basis. I write to my representitives in Congress when bills come up. I don't know what else I could do.

I break the Cannabis laws every day. It is my right to do with my body as I wish. If I am busted I will go screaming and kicking to the very end. IMO this is the only honorable thing to do. I do not accept an unjust law forced on me by other humans. Cannabis prohibition is wrong. As a freedom loving man I can do no other than let the despicable creatures who support prohibition know how contemptable they and their law is. I would not have any respect for myself if I did any less. You have the right to make your own choice. I don't think you should be judging others for standing up for what they believe is right, before or after an arrest.

You still have not justified your position. How is meekly going to jail free us to partake in our substance of choice. I don't see those in power changing the laws because this kid went to jail quietly. It probably won't change the law as it is. But there is a chance. With your way I see no chance.
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Look at the laws where you live and see which you do not agree with, then lobby to have them changed. You cannot change a law to fit an offender after he has offended....

I am not hammering you, I just realize that no one will solve or change anything by whining after the fact.
By that token, the entire legalization movement is just a bunch of whiney selfish brats. Have some sense, dude. Many people don't realize how stupid a law is until it affects them. True, it would be better if people read the laws they were governed by for their own interest, but in today's apathetic, disillusioned age it's a hard thing to ask of people. Again, unless they're affected, most people just don't care.
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Old 04-05-2006, 03:16 AM   #16
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You still have not justified your position. How is meekly going to jail free us to partake in our substance of choice. I don't see those in power changing the laws because this kid went to jail quietly. It probably won't change the law as it is. But there is a chance. With your way I see no chance.
If you had gotten this particular law changed before this kid broke it, he wouldn't be subject to mandatory sentencing now would he. Sensationalizing an incident gets a lot of attention, but rarely gets results. If a body works consistently and repetitively on an issue, evently you begin to see results. What I am saying is that a quick and fast protest that will be over and done with in 1 or 2 weeks will not do it. It is too late to protest AFTER you get busted. If you cannot get it now, I am done trying to explain my position to you.
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By that token, the entire legalization movement is just a bunch of whiney selfish brats. Have some sense, dude.
On one hand you disagree with me and...
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Many people don't realize how stupid a law is until it affects them. True, it would be better if people read the laws they were governed by for their own interest, but in today's apathetic, disillusioned age it's a hard thing to ask of people. Again, unless they're affected, most people just don't care.
in the very next sentence you agree with me. Make up your mind.

If most people now "just don't care", then what you need to do is motivate them to care. Just asking people to side with you is a pathetic way to garner support. You really need to campaign for your cause. (Not for one kid, but for the cause, which in this instance happens to be mandatory sentencing). Motivating people is a very hard thing to do. It takes a very high level of energy and enthusiasm day in and day out. Sometimes you feel like you are fighting an uphill battle both ways, and getting nowhere, then you feel a small breakthrough and your faith is renewed. You continue the cause because you believe in it.

Just saying "most people just don't care", won't make them care. You have given up in just that one phrase.

I have had to motivate people to care enough to volunteer a lot of time to a cause that gives a lot less enjoyment than smoking a bowl now and then. You are right, most people are apathetic until they see how it can affect them or someone they care about, and it's a lot of work, day in and day out for years on end. Just writing a letter or two for each cause you think needs attention just doesn't cut it.

Tolerance4all, yes, I read the entire article and you didn't answer MY question:
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If this 17 year old kid had been instead a 47 year old drifter who just hopped off the boxcar would there be so much fuss? I doubt it. Residents would be glad to get the drifter away from the school.
Bottom line: The kid is guilty for selling a controlled substance near a school at the time the law was on the books as it was written. How long had the law been in place before the kid sold the pot? Apparently it was there last summer when another kid was charged and tried for the same thing. The mandatory sentence was in place then, where were you? Just because there was an acquittal in that case didn't change the way the sentence was already written.
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The time to speak out against an unjust law is BEFORE you are charged with breaking it. Otherwise, you just look like you have that "good for everyone else but me" syndrome.
Wow -- ever hear the tem Hindsight is 20/20?

Actually my dear, it is the Interpretation of the Law as it is applied that signifies wheter it is JUST or not.

That is what happens in the Judiciary ...

And in many places -- Judiciary is both Selected and VOTED into place.

Often the PUBLIC DEFENDER and STATE ATTORNEY -- the folks who prosecute and defend the application of the law are ELECTED OFFICIALS

See what I am getting at?

Laws (Stautes) are merely words until they are applied -- And yes you VOTE FOR those who write up those words as well.

...so it is not a "one bite of the apple" situation here.

This law needs to be changed.

This young man's family is starting a grass roots effort to bring attention to a Law that is applied in an unjust manner -- That takes courage and strength and my hat's off to them.

But the time for action -- is Now...and the action that is required? VOTE, let your voices be heard.

Educate yourself on the issues and the standing ofthe candidates on your issues of choice.

DOn't know your candidates? YOu have the internet in front of you -- Google your town, city, county and state...Educate yourself -- Educate your elected officials and candidates.

Let them know You Toke & You Vote -- and if they want your Golden Ticket, your Vote, you want some changes.

It is the best way.

...have a cookie

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