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Buzzby

Was this just what your friend told you or did you verify it? Can you cite a source? I find it hard to imagine a rationale by which these two anti-smoking groups would oppose such a ban.

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My friend is a Rep. in the State govt. No, I didn't verify it, for two reasons. 1. I trust the source and 2. I won't reveal the state in this forum.

I did mention that I wouldn't reveal the state in my original post. This was a conversation I had with him/her, off the record, friendly chatter type of talk.

The reasons my friend gave were money & jobs. These two entities receive money (grants) and job security from smoking related illnesses. If smoking were banned by eliminating the sale of tobacco products in a given state, there would be no reason to supply funds for smoking related illnesses to those entities who service people stricken by smoking related illnesses.

You will have to take this comment as just that. A comment. (try not to get your panties in a bunch) (joke)

I thought you wanted comments to the articles you post. If you only want a battle of references & sources with no personal opinion, you should state as much. (Although without opinions, this site would become boring).

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Why do you find it so hard to believe these two entities would be opposed to such a ban? Stranger things have happened. It's not just the State coffers and Tobacco Companies profiting from tobacco use.

I will give that you are right, I probably should not have mentioned those two entities by name without proof tho.

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Chron

This was an excellent article.

That is so true about how drug stores always try to set up shop on street corners, just like the "bad" street dealers used to do.

If a street dealer sold someone's 9-year old child amphetamines, the parents would want the dealer thrown under the jail. The doctor gives that same child Ritalin, and it's perfectly acceptable. What a sham.

Buzzby

That two anti-smoking entities opposed a ban on the sale of cigarettes isn't a personal opinion. It's a fact that can be shown to be true or false. I wasn't attempting to start a fight. I was looking, as I said, for some verification of your statements of fact that seem, on the surface, to be highly unlikely.

Buzzby

A street dealer is not a licensed physician with many years of special training to know what meds a person might need to help with a medical problem. A street dealer is a guy trying to make a buck any way he can, with no concern for the buyer's welfare.

Ritalin and amphetamines are prescribed in appropriate doses to deal with a medical problem. Those dosages are a small fraction of what recreational users take to get high.

Comparing doctors to dope dealers is really shaky. The only point of congruence is that they both supply drugs. You might as well compare a target shooter to an armed robber.

 

Chron

Seriously, you just love to argue. YOU KNOW what I meant. I didn't make a generalization about all physicians, I was talking about the ones who prescribe certain mind and mood-altering drugs. And all street dealers aren't ruthless predators just trying to make a buck. There are many marijuana dealers who would never sell crack or meth. They only sell the drug that they're willing to put in their own body.

Just like the writer said, Ritalin has no place in medicine.

And for the silly analogy about comparing target shooters to armed robberies, target shooters don't threaten people's lives.

Buzzby

I'm sitting here reading text off of a computer screen. I can't know what you mean unless you say what you mean. I can only know what you put in your posts.


The dealers you were talking about in the above quote are dealers selling amphetamines. Many drug dealers are addicts who are glad to sell you the same addictive drugs they put into their own bodies.


What the writer said was not graven in stone by the hand of God. Ritalin is overprescribed. That doesn't mean it should never be prescribed.


Neither do doctors, except by mistake. (A few target shooters who are careless about the safety rules do threaten people's lives. I have left the range more than once because I didn't like the way other people were handling their guns.)

FreeUpJahCure

True story. Alot of people get addicted to these drugs just as a user of any other drug can get addicted. The main difference between Ritalin and amphetamines to lets say Marijuana is that the doctor prescibed drugs are legal in every way, shape, and form with a prescription of course. Im not going to really get into any valid points though because the writer(just like millions of other people) has said it all.

lilgrasshoppah

Buzz, Chron... if I may interject...

Many times, doctors are worse than drug dealers: they just peddle the crap the pharmaceutical reps deliver... with little-to-no investigation into side-effects or contraindications. And considering that, every year, more people die from legal drugs, than all illegal drugs combined... I don't see what the argument is.

What: do you think doctors are free from corruption, avarice, laziness or stupidity?

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Buzzby

There are, of course, bad people in any profession. That's not the issue.

Doctors, the vast majority of them, are prescribing the right drugs in the right dosages for a medical condition. I think that Ritalin for behavior control is greatly over-prescribed, but it has become an accepted practice and it isn't prescribed in toxic dosages.

Drug dealers, in contrast, are happy to sell as much of any drug as they can to anyone who has the cash.

The comparison is ludicrous.