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lilgrasshoppah

Have you forgotten Viooxx so soon? How many people died from Viooxx, when Merck KNEW it was lethal? Doctors kill, through negligence, arrogance and greed, far more than all illegal drugs combined.

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Chron

You did know what I meant. If you didn't, you should have asked instead of making assumptions. I specifically talked about docs who prescribed Ritalin. I never said "all doctors". Stop playing dumb. You think amphetamines should be given to young children in some situations, and I disagree. Oh well.

Now you're saying target shooters threaten people's lives? Oh geez. They don't go to the range with the intention of hurting anyone, whereas armed robbers have malicious intent. But of course, you use extreme examples to try and make a point you don't have.

Doctors who peddle amphetamines, opiates, antidepressants, and tranquilizers without any regard to the patient are just as bad as street dealers. These mind/mood-altering drugs are addictive, toxic, and have dangerous side effects just like street drugs. Sure, some doctors monitor there patients so that they take the correct dosage. But some doctors don't. And these doctors are just as careless as the street dealers, regardless of the degrees and training they have.

Like lilgrasshoppah said, look at Merck. They KNOWINGLY sold a drug that caused heart attacks and strokes. And the CEO is still walking around free. Even after this incident, there were still some doctors who wanted to keep prescribing Vioxx. What would happen if 100,000 people died from a bad batch of street drugs? The public would be outraged, and the DEA would probably try to send the dealers to Guantanamo.

Buzzby

The 100,000 people who die from legitimate drugs each year are not all a result of physician error. The majority took the wrong dosages of prescribed or OTC drugs, or they took medications prescribed for someone else.

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Chron

It is estimated that 100,000 people died from taking Vioxx. Many of those people took the correct dosage. The drug was lethal, period. And Merck knew it. But the drug generated billions in revenue, so they continued to sell it anyway. That's just as cold as any street dealer.

Buzzby

Source


Wrong.


The drug might have contributed to 27,785 heart attacks and sudden cardiac deaths.

 

Chron

Did you just quote the same FDA who approved Vioxx and participated in the cover-up? The same FDA that is comprised of former drug company workers? Oh yeah, they're credible. Thanks for the laugh. Google "Vioxx 100,000". That was the initial estimate. And if contributing to 27,000 heart attacks is accurate (which it's not), that would still be a catastrophe.

Higher Logic

Great article! I scored an 88 on the GFT.

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lilgrasshoppah

the purpose in highlighting Vioxx and such, was not simply to note the tragic loss of life... (and the death toll is many thousands in excess of what Merck's numbers state, beeeelieve me) it's also to draw attention to the absolutely egregious conduct of Merck before and after the news came out about Vioxx: that they knowingly sold a defective, toxic product, which endangered and killed innocent, ignorant civilians.

You made the odd comment, to the effect that doctors are largely more responsible than drug dealers. The only difernce between legal and illegal drugs is how the government makes money off it... period. I have 1500 days in one hospital or another. I've have seen doctors behave in all sorts of ways. Usually... USUALLY... they don't deserves haloes. Just like the rest of us.

Toking Jedi

Buzzby was making the distinction that doctors, while they make money off of prescribing drugs, are paid to consider the welfare of the patient. In that respect, they consider the risks and benefits and decide whether the benefits outweigh the risks. They then judge how much of a substance will be effective as well as safe, and then give it to the patient.
Drug dealers, on the other hand, are, like Buzzby said, only concerned with making a few bucks off of what they sell their constituents. Unlike doctors, they do not judge a buyer's symptoms and decide whether it is safe for him or her to use, they take the money that their buyer has, and give the product to them. Because they are under no obligation to adhere to any regulations, unlike doctors, they are not worried about their products' health effects on their customers.

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lilgrasshoppah

Doctors are paid because they provide a service people want/need.

As are drug dealers. Whatever ethics they have, are entirely personal. I've known of many patients whom died because they took the prescribed drugs, in the dosages prescribed. No ethics board saved my mother's liver from collapse. Her own intestinal fortitude and skepticism did. Had she continued consuming the pharmaceutical poisons her unthinking GP was foisting on her, she surely would have died.

You forget the first rule of capitalism: Caveat Emptor.

When I go to my street dealer, looking for a dime bag... I apply all of my knowledge and wisdom to make certain that I have a good product: that it was grown properly, that it was cured properly, that it doesn't have a lot of seeds... etc. And, if I smoke it/eat it/vape it, and I end up unsatisfied, I don't go back to that dealer. Just the same with doctors. I don't automatically trust every fool with a white lab coat and a stethescope. "Oh... my doctor said it was perfectly fine to take Viooxx! Or Valium! Or Thalidomide! Or Tylenol!"

I have a looooong experience with the medical community. I've seen some good docs. I've seen some bad ones. I've yet to see any perfect ones. That's all I'm saying. Don't deify the medical community simply because they have usurped the Staff of Aesclepius. They are not gods. They are men.