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The reason we pay tax money for Social Security, which includes money for Unemployment Insurance, Disability Insurance, and Aid to families with dependants (children), is because during the Great Depression FDR realized that America needed to become a "guarantor state"--one in which there was an economic safety net.

If you don't want to pay taxes, that's your problem. But what if no one payed taxes? Social services would fall apart; there would be no point in having a government at all. Our democratic republic would fall apart, and the United States of America would henceforth be the dismembered chaos of anarchy.

Ok, I'm went a little crazy with that, and I don't really know that that is what would happen. But think about social services: social security, medicare, unemployment--these all allow our economy to function. I'm no economist, but I did just learn about the Great Depression in AP US History, and I know that one big reason the Depression hit people so hard was that there was no economic safety net. Bill Moyers, the host of "NOW with Bill Moyers", wrote this about the social contract:
We pay taxes so that some one else can afford to live a decent life like ours. It's a moral, cooperative act, and as members of the social contract of Democracy we are obligated to do so.

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Plainsman1963

Wow really? I said that? Huh.
Okie dokie. I thought the people that voted for GW were responsible for him being in office, but you won me over...Nah.
How about this? The people that didn't vote at all (and would have voted Democrat) are responsible for GW being in office?
Okaaaaaay. Just to show you an example of why I call B.S. on this whole argument, let's break this puppy down. Are we talking about the '92 election or the re-election in '96?
Screw it...You said got elected so I'm going to assume you meant initially in '92.

Clinton won the election with 370 electoral votes. George Bush Sr. had 168. Perot had....0.

Now of course if everybody that voted for Perot had instead voted for George Bush Sr. he would have won the popular vote...Big freaking if:
But hey...Everyone that said they wouldn't have voted or would have voted for Clinton lied. Yeah, we'll go with that.

So, state by state analysis to prove you right...That's the ticket!
Source.

So, that would be 89 total electoral votes...Which would have made the final tally...Clinton still would have won the electoral college vote by 281 to 257.

Would you like me to break down the '96 election as well?

So, in my opinion, those folks that say 3rd party votes act as spoilers are actually the ones that are contributing to the "business as usual" attitude by politicians in this insular game we currently call politics.

I will reiterate, I will vote for the best candidate for the job regardless of political party affiliation, and I fervently hope that more and more people will do the same.
I hold the people who vote for a candidate responsible for that candidate winning or losing.

I reject the whole premise that we should vote for somebody as a vote against somebody else. Lesser of two evils is not one of my options when it comes time to vote.
The best candidate for the job. Everybody should try it sometime.

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reggie_the_dog

"Ralph Nader gave us GW in 2000. Remember that when you go to the polls and bet on a long shot."

No, the Supreme Court gave us GW, they said there was not enough time to finish the recount in Florida (a recount that was later finished and showed that Gore indeed won Florida),

Stop blaming Nader, it was the supreme court.

WickedClown

She'll have my vote, i agree its a long shot, but hell, never know what might happen

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