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Buzzby

Some people like to shoot heroin all the time. Would they be doing the right thing by sticking a needle in your vein when you weren't paying attention? It doesn't seem to bother them...

Legally, giving people drugs without their knowledge is assault. If someone did that to me I'd sure as hell want to see them locked up for it.


No. I've said that the LD50 for marijuana is extremely high, based on the toxicity of THC. If you ate a bale you'd definitely get sick, just as if you ate a bale of hay.


That's semantic quibbling. Marijuana has psychoactive effects or we wouldn't be using it recreationally. Cannabis is a plant. Marijuana is the drug derived from that plant.


They should have used zero herb because it is extremely immoral and unethical to force drugs on people without their consent.


There is no congruence between the consensual sharing of some weed and the act of dosing someone without their consent. One is like sex. The other is like rape.

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troublemaker_42

I've got to agree with buzzby here. Forcing a drug experience on anyone who doesn't want it is an assault of sorts. While I wouldn't want to see someone get 20 years for it, I certainly don't think they should walk, either. I make a concious decision to consume cannabis. Forcing, or even allowing, otheres to consume it unwillingly isn't, nor will it ever be, cool in my book. I liker Buzzby's rape/sex comparison. I don't see how this is any different.

AS for the herb vs drug argument.....get real! Cannabis may be an herb, but it contains the mind-altering DRUG THC. If cannabis didn't have mind-altering effects, I wouldn't smoke it.

walstmonky

Well, FWIW Texas gives multi decade sentances to those caught in prison in possession of cell phones. So they'd probably think of 20 years for this as 'lenient'.

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troublemaker_42

Actually, I can see the logic of being harsh when dealing with prisoners with cell phones. gang leaders could call hits, dealers could continue to deal, etc. Theres no reason to have a cell phone in prison. It SHOULD be punished heavily

dedbr

"We the un-willing, led by the un-qualified, have been doing the incredible for so long, with so little, that we are now capable of doing the impossible with nothing!"


I like that little saying. It reminds me that I live in a big, wide world full of other people who have the right to their opinion just like I do.....

TM....If you can use a regular phone in prison, what difference would it make if you used a cell phone?

They can say that they can't listen in, but that never stopped any that I knew from getting the job done......

Back on topic....herb brownies. They should be punished for the amount of harm. No more.

Somebody just wanted to make a big deal out of a little pile.....

Somwwhere in Ded Land.......

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troublemaker_42

Having worked in the corrections field, I can assure you that a prisoner with a cell phone, and the ability to make unsupervised calls, is a major security risk. You can argue otehrwise, but how much time have you spent working in the field?

Buzzby

TM42 -

We've all seen how it works in movies. Making a phone call is a rare privilege, observed, and time-limited. How does it really work? Are they monitored? It would hardly seem that could be the basis for running a criminal empire, whereas an unlimited cell phone easily could be.

troublemaker_42

Are they ALL monitored? No.....but many are. It depends, really. Sometimes, calls will be monitored because the staff believes the inmate is "up to something" and many times evesdropping on a call confirms that. Sometimes, all calls in a given period are monitored. Sometimes its completely random. Occasionally, the officer in the control rooms gets bored, and simply picks calls to monitor, based on nothing whatsoever aside from his own curiosity or a hunch.

Calls in rpison aren't a rare privledge, but they are not without limitations either. Where I worked, prisponers had to buy phone cards, and the cards would only allow calls to be made to certain people, approved by the prison administration. Obviously, this doesn't ELIMINATE inmates from talking to people they shouldn't be, but it eliminates the possibility MUCH MORE than unlimited calls from a cell phone would.

An example of phone conversations being used against a prisoner--A murder case here in my hometown (first murder in over a decade here) - The inmate called his brother, and began ordering that things be taken out of his name (house, vehicles, etc) so he wouldn't lose such things. You see, he wanted a court appointed attorney to represent him, and argued he had no money. Tipped off by the call, it was discovered that he actually had over $80,000 grand in available assets. Also, during a visit, which was monitored by police, he gave his brother directions to a "fishing hole" outside of town. officers went to the location, and discovered bloody clothing belonging to the victim. Without monitoring inmate visits/phone calls, the correctional facilities would lose a valuable tool.

dedbr

Uh....hmmmm....uh....hmm...uh...time spent working in the field? Well TM, I've never spent any time "working" in the field, but in Ohio an inmate is allowed 15 minutes on the phone, collect, as many times as he or she can afford to get on the phone, a day.

As far as monitoring is concerned? I know that most institutions are understaffed and really don't have enough C.O.'s to carry out normal staffing at times, so monitoring calls is most of the time just a joke.

Cell phones in prison? It would be more trouble than it's worth because of the snitches. It's too easy to get messages out if need be for a phone to be used. No one is that stupid anymore who's a professional.

Back to the subject tho, do you all really think these two guy's should go to prison for twenty years for herb brownies? Seriously?


Somewhere in Ded Land.....

Buzzby

Twenty years? No. But, it's highly doubtful that they will get the maximum sentence, anyway.

You seem to think it's no big deal giving people drugs without their knowledge and consent. I think it's a serious criminal offense and should be severely punished to discourage such "youthful pranks" by others. If it were a "slap on the wrist" offense, people would do it all the time.